Well the 17 yr old boy driving survived (thank grandma's audi for that). He was doing 60+ in a 30 zone around a very easy bend, he hit the brakes in the turn, and spun sideways, (might have flipped too) hit a city truck doing tree trimming... it wasn't raining when he crashed BTW http://www.epicfoto.com/pics/crash David 1990 90q 20v 222K miles