[acna_pcc] Re: used audi vs new (insert something else)

Wed Feb 15 22:24:30 EST 2006

God knows Jon, I don't want you, your wife, or anyone else injured,
nor do I wish a winner to be declared.  After all, you propped up your
rebuttal with the original across-the-group comparison, not I.  The
fact is, in most cases, they -don't- compare, as IIHS/HLDI clearly
states.  I simply pointed out that even a "gold" rating for a small
car may not be as good as a silver for a larger, heavier car.  No
thanks on the Tahoe, can't afford/don't want one, regardless of age.
Semis and dumptrucks aside, because you're right they'll win hands
down in a collision (but don't travel as comfortably) ,
I don't think a Tahoe or an Escalade's going "through" an allroad.
I've seen pictures from two of my former customers of A4s that were
broadsided, one by an F350 Crew cab, and it was amazingly intact where
it counts. I'm also glad you're not curled up on the floor.  That
would suck.

All the best, really.  See you at VIR?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jon Linkov" <jon at audiclubna.org>
To: "Wylie Bean" <theringmeister at triad.rr.com>; "Jim Griffin"
<JGriff at JGriff.com>; "Audifans" <quattro at audifans.com>; "PCC list"
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Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: [acna_pcc] Re: used audi vs new (insert something else)

> Right. So how do you say your allroad is any better or worse if you
> shouldn't compare across groups? Guess you should really go and buy
a 2007
> Chevy Tahoe with ESC, since it's got stability control AND is
big/heavy. No
> rollover worries, and it'll go through that allroad like a knife in
butter.
>
> I drive everything from a Chevy Aveo to an A8 each year. 60+
vehicles, over
> 100 miles round trip, 5 days a week. No allroad or Legacy is going
to "win"
> against a semi or even an escalade.
>
> If I was so in fear of "my chances" I'd be curled up on the floor in
fear of
> the great outside world, since there are so many unknowns.
>
> And I'll do the majority of repairs to my "squeaky" Legacy when it
is out of
> warranty. And I won't have to worry about some expensive air
suspension.
>
> And hopefully neither of us will "win" this little pissing contest.
>
>
>
>
> On 2/15/06 9:48 PM, "Wylie Bean" <theringmeister at triad.rr.com>
wrote:
>
> > "However, don't compare ratings across vehicle size groups because
> > size and weight influence occupant protection in serious crashes.
> > Larger, heavier vehicles generally afford more protection than
> > smaller, lighter ones"
> >
> > so you say............" I'll take my chances with the Subaru."
> >
> > I say, "...........exactly."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jon Linkov" <jon at audiclubna.org>
> > To: "Wylie Bean" <theringmeister at triad.rr.com>; "Jim Griffin"
> > <JGriff at JGriff.com>; "Audifans" <quattro at audifans.com>; "PCC list"
> > <acna_pcc at yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 9:35 PM
> > Subject: [acna_pcc] Re: used audi vs new (insert something else)
> >
> >
> >> IIHS Top Safety Picks for 2006
> >> http://www.iihs.org/ratings/default.aspx
> >>
> >> Subary Legacy -- Gold
> >> Audi A6 -- silver
> >> Audi A4 -- silver
> >>
> >> I'll take my chances with the Subaru.
> >>
> >> Jon
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2/15/06 9:25 PM, "Wylie Bean" <theringmeister at triad.rr.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> Friday I'm picking up a 2001 allroad for my wife in KC.  No it's
> > not
> >>> new, and yes it has 49K miles, but for $19K, with a years' worth
> > of
> >>> Audi Assured warranty still left on it, it's cheaper and safer
> > than a
> >>> new(ish) subie, and will haul more and look better doing it
> >>> (subjective opinion inserted in case you hadn't figured that
> > out!).  I
> >>> know having sold the two cars side-by-side, that i'd rather have
> > an(y
> >>> audi) allroad over a subie most any day.....if i'm paying for
the
> >>> maintenance anyway (which I won't since I can do most of it
myself
> > on
> >>> the Audi) the labor rates are not terribly different at my
dealer
> >>> locally which sells both brands.  Parts costs are not that
> > different
> >>> either, and subies do break now and again, (and squeak and
rattle
> >>> too).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Wylie Bean
> >>> TheRingmeister at triad.rr.com
> >>> 90 Cq
> >>> 99.5 A4 Avant 1.8Tq
> >>> (soon to be '01 allroad)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Jon Linkov" <jon at audiclubna.org>
> >>> To: "Jim Griffin" <JGriff at JGriff.com>; "Wylie Bean"
> >>> <theringmeister at triad.rr.com>; "Audifans"
<quattro at audifans.com>;
> > "PCC
> >>> list" <acna_pcc at yahoogroups.com>
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 9:04 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [acna_pcc] Audi drops free maintenance in '07
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> It's one of the main reasons I just bought a 2005 Subaru Legacy
> > GT
> >>> sedan for
> >>>> my wife. Yes, I got an amazing deal because I bought the car
> > through
> >>> work,
> >>>> but there really is not one 2005, 5,000-mile Audi I could touch
> > for
> >>> $21,500.
> >>>> So, I bought the Subey.
> >>>>
> >>>> Jon
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 2/15/06 7:50 PM, "Jim Griffin" <JGriff at JGriff.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Customer service at Audi dealers is horrible, especially the
> >>> service
> >>>>> departments. Getting free maintenance makes the "experience"
> >>>>> tolerable. If these same people know that for their next Audi
> > they
> >>>>> will have to pay for such poor treatment/service, that will
> >>>>> definitely discourage them from buying a new Audi. It
certainly
> >>> would
> >>>>> factor into my decision.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> At 10:53 PM 2/13/2006, Wylie Bean wrote:
> >>>>>> from today's "Automotive News"
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Audi drops free maintenance
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ----------
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     Jim Griffin
> >>>>> JGriff at JGriff.com
> >>>>>        8-)
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