Super duper fuels, eh?

[Tom Love]

Sit back and think of all the things we eat that come from corn and just 
imagine the price increases  (supply and demand as the oil guys say) when we 
put that in our tanks instead of food products while the oil companies sell 
the dino stuff off to the newly developed oil hungry nations (thanks to us) 
at their new "supply and demand" prices. It's all b.s.
Had a taco lately? Enjoy it while you can afford it.
My 2 cents with a smile.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "LL - NY" <larrycleung at gmail.com>
To: "William Magliocco" <magliocc at rocketmail.com>
Cc: <brett at cloud9.net>; <TurboQuattro at shaw.ca>; <quattro at audifans.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 5:36 PM
Subject: Re: Super duper fuels, eh?


> It is not. It takes nearly as much fossil fuel energy to produce
> the ethanol (from corn, anyway, the Brazilians are much better
> off b/c they make their ethanol from cane sugar, which is one
> of their main crops) as the energy we get out of it.
>
> It's a smoke screen, it makes us think we are doing something
> about reducing fossil fuel use, atmospheric CO2 levels, and
> dependency on foreign oil, but it really doesn't help much. Unless
> you're a corn futures broker.
>
> LL - NY
>
> On 8/4/07, William Magliocco <magliocc at rocketmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Agreed, Brett.  The cocktail was burned off in less
>> than a week.
>>
>> The 100 in question is the most well sealed fuel
>> system of any car I have owned.  I love to hear the
>> air rush in when I pull the cap off at the gas
>> station.
>>
>> Not wishing to start a flame war, though, I am not
>> convinced that the US approach to ethanol is energy
>> efficient.
>>
>>
>> --- Brett Dikeman <quattro at frank.mercea.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > On Aug 4, 2007, at 4:37 PM, William Magliocco wrote:
>> >
>> > > I once made an ~E-25 cocktail with a 1/4 tank of
>> > E-85
>> > > then the rest 93 octane premium in my '93 100.
>> > Yes,
>> > > the engine liked it better, but the wallet did
>> > not.
>> >
>> > You can't run more than about 20% alcohol according
>> > to the manual, if
>> > I recall.  Damages the seals and hoses.
>> >
>> > Also, ethanol fuel is hygroscopic like you wouldn't
>> > believe.  You
>> > have to use it fast, or have a very well sealed
>> > system, or you're
>> > going to end up with water, and hence rust the
>> > injectors, regulator,
>> > etc.
>> >
>> > One of ethanol's many problems as a fuel.  Even in
>> > Brazil, the number
>> > of ethanol cars is dropping, and it is widely
>> > available and (I
>> > believe) cheaper.
>> >
>> > Brett
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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