[urq] 80's Audi were Below average in NHTSA crash test . Audi A4bumpers are well rated

[LL - NY]

I personally like the idea of Procon-Ten. I'm not sure, but in the
C3 re-design for 1989, I believe I read somewhere that a PC10
(okay, I'm lazy) car w/o airbag tested nearly as well (as in top
crash test rating) as the airbag car, showing the merits of the
system. Too bad the apparent costs of the system caused it
to be discontinued. It's like 90% the safety, without the pyrotechnics.

LL - NY

On 8/17/07, Fred Munro <munrof at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> Correct, Ingo, the UrS4 had airbags and the Pro-Con-Ten system. In the
> UrS6
> the Pro-Con-Ten was replaced by explosive seatbelt reels.
>
> The cables did not push the engine forward, Steven. In a collision,
> rearward
> movement of the transmission tightened the cables, retracting the
> seatbelts
> to remove slack and pulling the steering column and wheel forward into the
> dash to move it away from the driver.
>
> I owned two Audis with Pro-Con-Ten; my '91 200q and my '94 S4. It is a
> good
> safety system. I suspect it's elimination had more to do with cost than
> safety, although drivers side airbags fill one original design function of
> Pro-Con-Ten (keeping the driver from bouncing off the steering wheel).
>
> Fred Munro
> '97 S6
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: quattro-bounces at audifans.com
> [mailto:quattro-bounces at audifans.com]On Behalf Of Ingo Rautenberg
> Sent: August 17, 2007 5:31 PM
> To: steven j
> Cc: urq list; Tony Hoffman; Quattro List
> Subject: Re: [urq] 80's Audi were Below average in NHTSA crash test .
> Audi A4bumpers are well rated
>
>
> Actually, they were also on the V8 and with airbags.  Plus I believe
> the Ur S-cars also had it...
>
> On Aug 17, 2007, at 5:05 PM, steven j wrote:
>
> > I've been looking at the NHTSA crash tests since they
> > came out in about 1979.   The 1985-ish Audi 5000 got a
> > horrible crash rating.  With the steering rack on the
> > firewall and that 5cyl going to the bumper the
> > steering wheel was pushed back in a crash delivering a
> > punch to the drivers head.  The 4000's tested at the
> > time were just the 4cyls - and the results weren't as
> > bad as the 5000, probably because the missing cylinder
> > allowed  an extra 5 inches before it started pushing
> > the steering rack back.  One would imagine a 5cyl in
> > the type 85 would be worse than the 5000 crash test.
> > Of course if you have an offset crash - and the engine
> > doesn't get pushed back - the car is probably fine.
> > For around 1989 Audi introduced PRO-CON-TEN in the 100
> > and 200 where cables push the engine forward in a
> > crash and those cars cut driver head injury to low
> > levels.
> >
> > I think when airbags came the pro-con-ten cables might
> > not have been installed, but they were on the 100/200
> > only.   Feel free to correct me on details.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Ed Kellock <ekellock at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> ISTR that the 4k series cars were one of the highest
> >> rated chassis of
> >> their time in crashworthiness.
> >>
> >> Ed
> >>
> >> On 8/16/07, LL - NY <larrycleung at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Having seen some of the Type 85's in the wrecking
> >> yard, I'd venture a guess
> >>> that
> >>> you didn't go "straight in" in your accident. The
> >> 4K's passenger compartment
> >>> seems to buckle in a header, at least based upon
> >> empirical forensic analysis
> >>> at the wrecking yard, I think you were lucky.
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
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