Pretty much. Apparently the easiest and cheapest solution isn't the best. He should keep experiementing and polluting the enviroment with a too-cold engine. =) Mark On Dec 16, 2007 8:47 PM, Grant Lenahan <glenahan at vfemail.net> wrote: > OK, what more do you need to "not quite be sure" the T-stat is stuck > open? > > An invitation?