Audi in London

Wed Feb 4 08:19:37 PST 2009

For most it probably doesn't matter.  All they know... all they care about,
is that they have all wheel drive... on about the same level as knowing
where to put the gas in.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan DiBiase [mailto:d_dibiase at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 6:35 AM
To: Ed Kellock; quattro at audifans.com
Subject: Re: Audi in London

But the confusion is that Audi calls BOTH of it's AWD systems 'quattro',
regardless of the type used. So the TT has quattro, 
as does the A4, even though they aren't the same system (former Haldex,
latter Torsen).

Dan D
'04 A4 1.8Tq MT-6
Central NJ USA

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From: Ed Kellock <ekellock at gmail.com>
To: quattro at audifans.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 3, 2009 10:59:59 PM
Subject: RE: Audi in London

4Motion is Quattro.  Longitudinal engine orientation gets Quattro.
Transverse engine gets Haldex. 

The systems are different based on engine orientation.  The name is based on
brand name.

Ed

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> From: quattro-bounces at audifans.com 
> [mailto:quattro-bounces at audifans.com] On Behalf Of Steve Meyer
> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 8:12 PM
> To: Mark J. Besso; Mark R
> Cc: Bares, Vittorio; quattro at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: Audi in London
> 
> 
> I think I agree...I know my 4Motion Passat outgrips any 4kq 
> or 90q I've owned...regardless of tires. The only thing 
> is...what type of setup is 4Motion? Maybe I'm just an idiot 
> and my 4Motion is haldex. I've never actually worried about 
> it. It goes down the highway in sloppy stuff without a care. 
> My 90q and 4kq are fun, but when I got the kids in the car I 
> want my Passat. My 100q Avant seems very stable in messy 
> stuff on the highway too. This summer we had loads of rain 
> and the gravel roads were a mess...so I took them home from 
> work every night for fun. Mud, puddles, loose gravel...that's 
> what quattro is for!
> 
> slm
> 
> 
> --- On Tue, 2/3/09, Mark R <speedracer.mark at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: Mark R <speedracer.mark at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: Audi in London
> > To: "Mark J. Besso" <mbspeed at maxboostracing.com>
> > Cc: "Bares, Vittorio" <Vittorio.Bares at nuance.com>, 
> > quattro at audifans.com
> > Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2009, 12:22 PM
> > Mark,
> > I hear ya.  I picked up an '87 4KCSQ for ice racing
> > because of thi (and it's
> > light and cheap!)... but the truth is that the newer
> > Quattros have more grip
> > (IMHO).
> > Maybe not as much tail-happy fun, but more overall grip.
> > 
> > Mark Rosenkrantz
> > 
> > On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Mark J. Besso
> > <mbspeed at maxboostracing.com>wrote:
> > 
> > > I beg to differ.  The "real" quattro's
> > have individually lockable
> > > differentials for the center and rear.  They may seem
> > primitive, but they
> > > sure whoop Torsen's.
> > >
> > > Not to mention, the Torsen-equipped cars have
> > electronics that cut out the
> > > lock-up feature over a certain speed.  Just when
> > they're starting to get
> > > fun, the lock-up is disabled.  Boo!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Mark R wrote:
> > >
> > >  Especially if you have something like 19 inch summer
> > tires.....! But the TT
> > > doesn't have 'real' quattro
> > > anyways, right? ;-)
> > >
> > > Dan D
> > > '04 A4 1.8Tq MT-6
> > > Central NJ USA
> > >
> > >
> > > Dan hit the nail on the head!  I just got back from
> > instructing at yet
> > > another winter driving school (NAAC) and good tires
> > are of course the number
> > > one thing to have for the conditions.  But
> > "real" Quattro (with a torsen
> > > center diff) is head and shoulders above anything
> > else, ESPECIALLY Haldex
> > > based systems.
> > >
> > > Subaru and BMW get is mostly right, but there's
> > something about real Quattro
> > > that is absoluitely tops.  And the control/fun of the
> > Torsen systems go from
> > > understeer to subtle oversteer at just the right
> > moment (when the fronts
> > > hook up)....  gotta love it!
> > >
> > > Mark Rosenkrantz (who would take Haldex over FWD or
> > RWD, but any other AWD
> > > system over Haldex). 
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