[urq] Toyota should be talking to Audi....NAC

[LL - NY]

I'd call that more of a blanket CYA than an admission that there is a known
and verified (for their research) problem. Basically a fail safe.

On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 11:58 AM, john at westcoastgarage.net <
john at westcoastgarage.net> wrote:

>  Ti Kan wrote:
> > Grant Lenahan writes:
> >
> >> Dan DiBiase wrote:
> >>
> >>> The problem is that people don't know how to handle this situation.
> It's fine to say that the brakes will overcome the engine,
> >>> but you probably only have one shot at it, and need to slam them on all
> the way immediately. Most folks don't know that and
> >>> probably just panic.
> >>>
> >>> It's all just another good reason to drive a stick!
> >>>
> >> is your one-shot comment due to a lack of vacuum reserve at WOT?
> >>
> >
> > No, I think it's more a problem with brake fade -- if the driver
> > rides on the brakes without full force.  It would be better to
> > just stomp on it and try to get the car to stop asap (let the
> > ABS deal with any potential wheel lockup).
> >
> > One thing that bother me, though.  Is that Toyota has issued
> > recalls and has "fixes" for the supposed problem, but no
> > Lexus models are covered under any such recalls.  Yet many of the
> > UA reports are with Lexus (such as with the infamous CHP officer).
> > The recalls shortens the accelerator pedal (to avoid a
> > floormat jam) and adds a shim (to avoid a possible stuck pedal),
> > but no ECU reprogramming.
> >
> > It is my understanding from the reports that Toyota's drive-by-wire
> > system does not override the accelerator when the brake is applied.
> > VAG cars do, I believe, and probably most others...  so this
> > would be a software issue, but Toyota has not (yet) admitted to
> > an any software problem with regard to the UA issue.  This
> > is not to be confused with the separate Prius recall which _is_
> > software related.
> >
> > Whatever the real problem is, it's like peeling an onion and
> > I am sure we haven't heard the last of it yet.
> >
> > -Ti
> >
> >
> > A columnist writing this week in Autoweek reports that Toyota has been
> implementing a brake override system on the production line since January of
> this year.  So much for their claims software isn't the
> problem......................
>
> John
>
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