1983 Audi Coupe GT - Engine stalls on quick acceleration
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mwvogt at netzero.com
Mon May 17 16:03:07 PDT 2010
Chris,
Here's what I hear you saying...
Car is cold... starts fine... runs fine.
Car gets warm to hot...it stalls.
Here's what I think.
COLD START INJECTOR...is getting the wrong signal or because of wiring it won't stop injecting.
AIR TEMP SENSOR...maybe thinking it's cold all the time and keeps doing what it's not supposed to when it's warm.
There's about 3 things that tell the CSI what to do and when and the first thing is to see if it still keeps shooting gas when it's not supposed to.
Then, there's a temp sensor that runs from the block.
Then there's the small "dryer hose" (as I call it) that runs from the exhaust side of the block to the bottom of the air intake box to tell it if it's warm enough to run efficiently. Sounds stupid but once I found the parts and did that hose my idle smoothed out especially in winter. Maybe just dumb luck.
Sounds like you've replaced a lot of important parts along the way, always a benefit to that once you find the culprit.
Anyway, I'll keep thinking.
Mark Vogt
---------- Original Message ----------
From: AUDICPGT at aol.com
To: quattro at audifans.com
Subject: 1983 Audi Coupe GT - Engine stalls on quick acceleration
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 17:07:22 -0400 (EDT)
1983 Audi Coupe GT 2.2L I-5 Miles = approx. 220K
What started out as a random issue has now become a constant problem... as
follows:
Engine starts fine cold, idles fine also. Upon quick acceleration, engine
cuts-out, as if complete loss of fuel pressure, ignition spark or engine
vacuum dropping the fuel metering plate. If I stay in the pedal, the engine
will die... if I jump off the pedal and feather it, it will stay running.
On very easy acceleration, it will rev up normally to the redline.
I checked all my vacuum lines for leaks - cracks - looseness, sprayed some
starting fluid around connections... all seem fine, no spikes in idle.
Removing oil filler cap does make engine die.
I suspected plugged up fuel filters since I have been there before on
another vehicle of mine. I knew it had been at least 5 years, so I replaced
both filters, and also my fuel pump that has been louder as of late since
everything was disconnected anyway. I don't have a CIS fuel pressure test kit,
so I had no problem shot-gunning these replacements. Also, while I had
the filters disconnected, I checked the free-flow out of the fuel tank... it
was strong, no obstructions there.
Testing upon reassembly = No change!
I was advised to replace my fuel distributor (it had been seeping), so I
did w/ a rebuilt unit from Python.
NO CHANGE!
I suspected stuck open fuel injectors causing fuel pressure drop in
distributor... so, since I had never had them cleaned I decided to take them in
to Doctor Injector. The guy said that they were gunked up, but sprayed fine
now. I was optimistic.
Reinstalled injectors (new seals too) = NO CHANGE!
I wanted to check and see what happens with spark during the event. I
hooked up my timing light, find steady strobe on idle... rev'd up the engine
slowly, strobe sped up normally. From idle, quickly opened the throttle,
the strobe sped up, and when engine cut-out the strobe continued to pulse...
SO, I surmised that the ignition system is NOT the issue. Spark is being
generated at time of stall.
I next considered waving the white flag and taking it to a shop that had
the proper fuel system diag equipment I didn't have... BUT FIRST...
Years ago, I had another car that the Cat convertor disintegrated &
plugged up, creating huge back pressure to the engine. That car acted similar to
my GT's problem, and I wondered if this was the case, it could be causing
back pressure that would affect the fuel metering plate. I disconnected
the exhaust to inspect the Cat... it looked fine, I could easily see right
through it. Discouraged, I decided to run open-header to eliminate any
questions about the entire exhaust system...
NO CHANGE! Engine roared to life, idled fine, BUT cut-out on the snap
accelerations!
At this point I've reached that PUT-A-FORK-IN-ME-I'M-DONE stage. I feel
beaten (which rarely happens to me with my vehicles).
I found this forum, and decided to give it a shot before limping it to the
shop. The old GT has been a reliable commuter (keeping miles off my
Infiniti G35 Coupe), so I can only hope it is something simple I have
overlooked, and not expensive as to be cost prohibitive in fixing.
I thank you for withstanding my saga, and also for any ideas you may have
for me.
Christopher
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