Audi on a budget...?

[Andrew Dickinson]

Like I said... the 'S' without the badge.




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From: John Cody Forbes <cody at 5000tq.com>
To: Andrew Dickinson <amdickinson at rogers.com>
Cc: "quattro at audifans.com" <quattro at audifans.com>
Sent: Tue, March 1, 2011 9:32:52 AM
Subject: Re: Audi on a budget...?

Actually the urS is the 1992 and on Audi 100 S4 which keeps the name even after 
they rebadged it as an S6 up to 1997. The '91 200 20v is simply that.

-Cody (mobile)

On Mar 1, 2011, at 8:24 AM, Andrew Dickinson <amdickinson at rogers.com> wrote:

> I always say that when it comes to an older car the key is maintenance.  Lots 
>of 
>
> it.
> 
> At the age these cars are at it is typical to be on the crest of a big spending 
>
> spree just to keep them running right.  If there aren't any maintenance records 
>
> then I will usually shy away unless the car is dirt cheap ($500 or less).  You 

> should expect radiator, heater core, blower motor, alternator & battery, wheel 

> bearings, brakes including e-brake, then there are the sensors and so forth.  
> Probably nothing new here if you have been dealing with an older Saab.
> 
> A great place to look is the Audifans marketplace... 
> www.audifans.com/marketplace
> 
> My preference has been the 5000/200 turbo Quattro.  While their numbers are 
> starting to fall their potential (as kent mentioned) comes from the iconic, 
> turbocharged I-5.  The base figure is 167hp and that is easily ramped to around 
>
> 220hp with a chip for the ECU and stiffer spring for the wastegate.  It is not 

> uncommon to install a BPV to keep the intercooler from blowing the ends off 
>(and 
>
> that can also be prevented by strapping the end caps on for a little 
> extra mechanical reinforcement)
> 
> If you start at the 1991 200 TQ you get the first 20-valve motor with EFI.  
> These are easily jumpped up to over 260hp with very little effort (some say 
>275) 
>
> just like the 10VT motors.  The 20-valve breathes much better as it is a 
> cross-flow head... more in = more out.  The 1991 20VT is comonly called the 
>Ur-S 
>
> as it is the first car that followed the 'S' level of performance but predated 

> the badge.
> 
> I have personally hammered the I-5 well beyond what one would expect a motor to 
>
> take... and it took it all day long, day after day.  I can personally say that 
>I 
>
> vouch for their bullet-proof reputation.  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Kent McLean <kentmclean at comcast.net>
> To: quattro at audifans.com
> Sent: Tue, March 1, 2011 7:25:15 AM
> Subject: Re: Audi on a budget...?
> 
> Nick Urban wrote:
>> I'm thinking about buying my first Audi.
> 
>> I'm looking for something practical, elegant, and fun, preferably with
>> a manual transmission for less than $6000. I figure my best bet would
>> be to find a well cared for A4 or S6 from the 90s.
> 
> It depends what you are looking for. Since you didn't mention it, and
> since you left out the A6, I'll assume you may be looking to enhance the
> basic car. The S6 can take lots of mods, up to RS2 spec (Ka-Ching!).
> The A4 1.8T can also take mods. The A4 V6, not so much.
> 
> Some will argue that the S6 is the iconic Audi - famed, bullet-proof
> I-5, easily taking bigger turbos. The size is adult sized, with space
> for 5. But it can be a real sleeper.
> 
> The A4 is a beautiful body, but it is smaller than the S6. You can mod
> the A4, but it won't be in quite the same league as the S6. A modified
> S6 is probably going to last longer than a modified A4, just because
> the little 4-cylinder will be stressed more.
> 
> The key is electrics. The S6 has it's issues, but the A4 has more
> electronics -- HVAC, the little LCD driver display that is known to
> go bad, radios go wonky. etc. You can fit a DIN head unit in the S6,
> but will be hard pressed to replace the A4 audio with a clean install.
> 
> I like my A4, but I wish it were a little bigger. My biggest complaint,
> aside from the bad LCD driver info display, is the seat bottom cushions
> are too short. I can't quite get comfortable in them. I replaced the
> standard seats with the sport seats from an S4, but they still aren't
> as comfortable as you'll find in the S6.
> 
> -- 
> Kent McLean
> 1999 A4 Avant, V6 Tiptronic
> 1990 200 Avant mit V8 conversion
> gone: too many to count, including my first, "Bad Puppy"
> 
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