Charcoal Canister Delete?

Tue Jun 12 10:24:35 PDT 2012

TUV is a certification from another country, though.  In order to pass 
CARB standards, doesn't a vehicle have to pass regular EPA standards to 
begin with (otherwise I would presume they couldn't sell it anywhere in 
the country)....

On 6/12/2012 13:16, Cody Forbes wrote:
> Because the EPA does not recognize PZEV as existing. Its like saying your car passes TUV safety standards but not DOT... Just doesn't fly even though TUV is generally better.
>
> -Cody Forbes
>
> On Jun 12, 2012, at 10:59 AM, Vincent Gelinas<vrgelinas at gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> I also don't understand why it would be illegal to sell a PZEV car in a state that has looser requirements.  Like it doesn't matter if you drive in NH with car insurance, but it's not a requirement.  All it would do is make the car spew less pollution.
>>
>> On 6/12/2012 10:43, Dan DiBiase wrote:
>>> I'd be surprised if they were different, I would think that it would be less expensive to fit the same sealed system to every car,
>>> than it would be to have 2 separate systems - which could then make more complex the distribution system for sending the
>>> cars to one dealer versus another (i.e., monitoring which states can sell PZEV and which can't, etc).
>>>
>>> Dan D
>>> '04 A4 1.8Tq MT-6
>>> Central NJ USA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>   From: Mark Rosenkrantz<speedracer.mark at gmail.com>
>>> To: cody at 5000tq.com
>>> Cc: Dan DiBiase<d_dibiase at yahoo.com>; "armanmik at earthlink.net"<armanmik at earthlink.net>; "quattro at audifans.com"<quattro at audifans.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 10:31 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Charcoal Canister Delete?
>>>
>>>
>>> My point was that the "NON-pzev" cars are mechanically identical to the "PZEV" cars, from what I understood (and I could be wrong).  And the 5 cyl. VW (2.5L) was my quoted reference (since we own one).  Obviously there is MORE to PZEV than the fuel system, but that was really the focus of my "identical" commentary, not the ECU tuning, etc.   After all, Audi has been using sealed, pressurized EVAP systems since at LEAST 2000.  From the fuel system (only) standpoint, that's one of the keys to being PZEV.
>>>   But in many regards, Cody is right.  My only point was that the fuel systems in newer (last 10+ years) are already sealed EVAP systems, and I *thought* those fuel systems are identical between non-pzev and pzev cars.
>>>   Mark Rosenkrantz
>>>
>>>
>>>   On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 10:00 AM,<cody at 5000tq.com>   wrote:
>>>
>>> **AVAILABLE** as PZEV optionally, but again is is illegal for them to be sold anywhere near here (New York is closest) so in fact there are very very few PZEVs here.
>>>> -Cody
>>>>
>>>> Quoting Dan DiBiase<d_dibiase at yahoo.com>:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Many new VW's are actually PZEV - including the 5-cylinder Golf and Jetta models.
>>>>> http://www.edmunds.com/volkswagen/jetta/2012/options.html?sub=sedan&style=101393770
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dan D
>>>>> '04 A4 1.8Tq MT-6
>>>>> Central NJ USA
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>   From: Cody Forbes<cody at 5000tq.com>
>>>>> To: Mark Rosenkrantz<speedracer.mark at gmail.com>
>>>>> Cc: "armanmik at earthlink.net"<armanmik at earthlink.net>; "quattro at audifans.com"<quattro at audifans.com>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 8:54 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Charcoal Canister Delete?
>>>>>
>>>>> Definitely a negative on PZEV Vee dubs, I've been looking. Most that I'm seeing are SULEV.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Cody Forbes
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 11, 2012, at 3:53 PM, Mark Rosenkrantz<speedracer.mark at gmail.com>   wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You see them all of the time... I think all VWs are pzev..... At least my wife's 2009 2.5 SE is... And there is no indication of it (such as emblem, etc.).  I suspect the replacement, a 2012 GLi (on order) will also be pzev.
>>>>>> Mark Rosenkrantz
>>>>>> Typos sent from my iPad
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 11, 2012, at 1:33 PM, cody at 5000tq.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here in NC I have only ever seen one PZEV vehicle in the shop. I suspect I've seen many on the road (aren't all Prius's'sss' (Prii?) PZEV?) and didn't know it.
>>>>>>> -Cody
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Quoting "speedracer.mark at gmail.com"<speedracer.mark at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mike,
>>>>>>>> They are separate, and PZEV is common in all states, including here in NY.
>>>>>>>> Generally speaking, you no longer find "49 state cars," for a variety of
>>>>>>>> reasons.
>>>>>>>> Theoretically, the carbon canister can act also as a spark arrestor, saving
>>>>>>>> on fire hazards. If you overfill your fuel system, they can also fill up
>>>>>>>> (really hard to do, but theoretically possible),  creating a fire hazard or
>>>>>>>> an unmetered source of raw fuel into the engine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BTW, I bet the firewall on your Cessna 150 has one, albeit unpressurized and
>>>>>>>> open to atmosphere.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mark Rosenkrantz
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Mike Arman<Armanmik at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>> To: quattro at audifans.com, cody at 5000tq.com
>>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:17:20 EDT
>>>>>>>> Subject: Charcoal Canister Delete?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <cody at 5000tq.com>
>>> <quattro at audifans.com>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Charcoal Canister Delete?
>>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is why P-ZEV emission standard
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> vehicles (primarily seen in California) have a sealed fuel tank with the
>>>>>>>>> pump and the fuel filter locked inside forever - the fuel vapors released
>>>>>>>>> during a fuel filter or fuel pump change pollute more than what's coming
>>>>>>>>>
>>> out
>>>>>>>> of the exhaust pipe.
>>>>>>>>> -Cody
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cody,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Does this mean if the pump goes bad or the filter gets clogged, you have to
>>>>>>>> buy the *whole* sealed
>>>>>>>> gas tank assembly with new pump/filter/etc.? And pay for R&R the tank (which
>>>>>>>> is tucked and armored
>>>>>>>> way up above the exhaust system and rear suspension) instead of just the
>>>>>>>> pump or filter? and
>>>>>>>> probably treat the removed parts as toxic waste to be hauled off by guys in
>>>>>>>> moon suits (for $$$$$$
>>>>>>>> per gas tank) to be disposed of in some "environmentally benign" (more
>>>>>>>> $$$$$$$$$$$) approved way?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am I reading this wrong or are those guys in CA nuts?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mike Arman
>>>>>>>> 90V8Q
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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