quattro Digest, Vol 127, Issue 12

Cody Forbes cody at 5000tq.com
Wed May 14 15:56:06 PDT 2014 

The only issue I've had with Spec in about 4 clutches and 10 flywheels is the Stage 3 disc in our S3 race car squealed really really loudly during engagement. Think cold race brakes, but twice as loud. Loading on to the trailer was horrible. It was bad enough that we went through the effort to change it to a South Bend after 6 months or so. Oh, also their aluminum flywheels also don't have steel sleeves in the bolt holes so you can only install them a few times before the holes are destroyed.

At work we typically use Sachs Motorsport or South Bend clutches. APR clutches are all South Bend. I've never been disappointed by them. 

The Kennedy disc I have would be less than $100 though, and there's been a few votes ;-).

-Cody Forbes (mobile)

On May 14, 2014, at 3:15 PM, Michael Wakefield <S4Quattro at comcast.net> wrote:

> I had a bad experience with a Spec clutch on my enhanced 93 S4. The springs started coming out of the sprung clutch plate. It was supposed to be rated for my torque, but didn't last. I switched to SouthBend, and have been totally satisfied. Others may have different experiences, but that was mine.
> Mike Wakefield
> 93 S4
> GT30, etc
> 
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>>  1. Uprated clutch (Dag B?sterud)
>>  2. Re: Uprated clutch (Cody Forbes)
>>  3. Re: Uprated clutch (Eric Sanborn)
>>  4. 4kq vac assisted door locks (Dan Whalen)
>>  5. Re: 4kq vac assisted door locks (Kneale Brownson)
>>  6. Re: Uprated clutch (Peter Golledge)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 08:57:24 +0200
>> From: Dag B?sterud <dag.boesterud at little-e.com>
>> To: <quattro at audifans.com>
>> Subject: Uprated clutch
>> Message-ID: <000001cf6f41$c3de0ae0$4b9a20a0$@boesterud at little-e.com>
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>> Last year I tossed out the MC2-engine in my Sports and put in an ABY-engine.
>> I now need a new clutch, since the clutch from 1990 is not up to the job of
>> the added torque(!)
>> 
>> I will effectively need the same clutch as any Audi 200 20v, and I can see
>> that Spec can sell me a Stage 3 or Stage 3+ clutch, those should be up to
>> the job when it comes to torque,
>> 
>> although I've been reading lots of negative stuff about clutches from Spec.
>> 
>> What's your advice? Should I get one from Spec, or is there any other
>> manufacturer I should purchase from?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Dag
>> 
>> 1990 Audi 100 Turbo Quattro Sport Exklusiv
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 07:56:36 -0400
>> From: Cody Forbes <cody at 5000tq.com>
>> To: Dag B?sterud <dag.boesterud at little-e.com>
>> Cc: "<quattro at audifans.com>" <quattro at audifans.com>
>> Subject: Re: Uprated clutch
>> Message-ID: <2343E099-F357-48E9-AB9C-A11A021FC343 at 5000tq.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
>> 
>> I have a Kennedy Engineering disc for that application that I need to get rid of. I accidentally ordered the wrong one for my car and rather than pay return shipping that's 1/4 the cost of the part I prefer to sell it. It's an unsprung 6-puck type. They are a bit extreme, but I daily drove my last one for 4 years and personally don't think it's hard to use or anything. Engagement is touchy; the difference between clutched and declutched is about an inch of pedal movement. If you try to slip if too much it will chatter, but I found that after a week or two I learned how to drive with it with no chatter or anything. It held all of the power of my 5000tq on a stock 200 20vT flywheel and pressure plate until I got oil on it which is why I ordered the replacement. 
>> 
>> -Cody Forbes (mobile)
>> 
>> On May 14, 2014, at 2:57 AM, Dag B?sterud <dag.boesterud at little-e.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Last year I tossed out the MC2-engine in my Sports and put in an ABY-engine.
>>> I now need a new clutch, since the clutch from 1990 is not up to the job of
>>> the added torque(!)
>>> 
>>> I will effectively need the same clutch as any Audi 200 20v, and I can see
>>> that Spec can sell me a Stage 3 or Stage 3+ clutch, those should be up to
>>> the job when it comes to torque,
>>> 
>>> although I've been reading lots of negative stuff about clutches from Spec..
>>> 
>>> What's your advice? Should I get one from Spec, or is there any other
>>> manufacturer I should purchase from?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dag
>>> 
>>> 1990 Audi 100 Turbo Quattro Sport Exklusiv
>>> 
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 08:37:57 -0400
>> From: Eric Sanborn <esanborn at gmail.com>
>> To: Cody Forbes <cody at 5000tq.com>
>> Cc: "<quattro at audifans.com>" <quattro at audifans.com>
>> Subject: Re: Uprated clutch
>> Message-ID:
>>    <CAAng+KQAcZVh3_FhuS0ZJ+ZtQVrpZEe+VGsZPbwdAuiLydCO7g at mail.gmail.com>
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>> 
>> I used to run a SPEC stage 2 on my 4ktq
>> (http://sofadog.net/4ktq/Step5.html, scroll part way down the page)
>> when I had it. It was a little grabby with parking lot driving, but it
>> held sufficiently to do regular 4 wheel burn-outs.  I was quite happy
>> with it, but that was a few years ago now so I can't speak to their
>> current quality.
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 7:56 AM, Cody Forbes <cody at 5000tq.com> wrote:
>>> I have a Kennedy Engineering disc for that application that I need to get rid of. I accidentally ordered the wrong one for my car and rather than pay return shipping that's 1/4 the cost of the part I prefer to sell it. It's an unsprung 6-puck type. They are a bit extreme, but I daily drove my last one for 4 years and personally don't think it's hard to use or anything. Engagement is touchy; the difference between clutched and declutched is about an inch of pedal movement. If you try to slip if too much it will chatter, but I found that after a week or two I learned how to drive with it with no chatter or anything. It held all of the power of my 5000tq on a stock 200 20vT flywheel and pressure plate until I got oil on it which is why I ordered the replacement.
>>> 
>>> -Cody Forbes (mobile)
>>> 
>>> On May 14, 2014, at 2:57 AM, Dag B?sterud <dag.boesterud at little-e.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Last year I tossed out the MC2-engine in my Sports and put in an ABY-engine.
>>>> I now need a new clutch, since the clutch from 1990 is not up to the job of
>>>> the added torque(!)
>>>> 
>>>> I will effectively need the same clutch as any Audi 200 20v, and I can see
>>>> that Spec can sell me a Stage 3 or Stage 3+ clutch, those should be up to
>>>> the job when it comes to torque,
>>>> 
>>>> although I've been reading lots of negative stuff about clutches from Spec..
>>>> 
>>>> What's your advice? Should I get one from Spec, or is there any other
>>>> manufacturer I should purchase from?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Dag
>>>> 
>>>> 1990 Audi 100 Turbo Quattro Sport Exklusiv
>>>> 
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 07:28:47 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Dan Whalen <slcrckt at yahoo.com>
>> To: quattro at audifans.com
>> Subject: 4kq vac assisted door locks
>> Message-ID:
>>    <1400077727.96805.YahooMailBasic at web162502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>> 
>> I am trying to diagnose the non working vacuum assisted power door locks.  I have the bentley manual and there isnt much info that I could find on the electrics or testing of the 12v portion of the system.  As it sits now, I have all of the locks working with the key and door plungers.  I have tested the vacuum motor in the trunk and it seems to work fine.  There is a fuse in the fuse panel under the hood, that is fine.  The actuator rod is attached to the vac plunger inside the drivers door, and does go up and down when locking the door with the key.  I have breifly inspected the wires going thru the door seal between the drivers door and body of the car.  I need to inspect that area a bit further though. It seems to be something electronic from my best guess.  Any thoughts or ideas would be great!  TIA
>> -Dan
>> 1987 Audi 4000 CS Q
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 11:24:26 -0400
>> From: Kneale Brownson <kneale at knitknacks.com>
>> To: Dan Whalen <slcrckt at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: "quattro at audifans.com" <quattro at audifans.com>
>> Subject: Re: 4kq vac assisted door locks
>> Message-ID: <FC4121F4-B52E-4ED5-B655-F971FCF3CFEB at knitknacks.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii
>> 
>> Most likely a broken wire at the door hinge area--a common issue. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 14, 2014, at 10:28 AM, Dan Whalen <slcrckt at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am trying to diagnose the non working vacuum assisted power door locks.  I have the bentley manual and there isnt much info that I could find on the electrics or testing of the 12v portion of the system.  As it sits now, I have all of the locks working with the key and door plungers.  I have tested the vacuum motor in the trunk and it seems to work fine.  There is a fuse in the fuse panel under the hood, that is fine.  The actuator rod is attached to the vac plunger inside the drivers door, and does go up and down when locking the door with the key.  I have breifly inspected the wires going thru the door seal between the drivers door and body of the car.  I need to inspect that area a bit further though. It seems to be something electronic from my best guess.  Any thoughts or ideas would be great!  TIA
>>> -Dan
>>> 1987 Audi 4000 CS Q
>>> 
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>> ------------------------------
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 08:25:06 -0700
>> From: Peter Golledge <petergolledge at gmail.com>
>> To: quattro at audifans.com
>> Subject: Re: Uprated clutch
>> Message-ID: <53738AD2.5010209 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>> 
>> I can second Kennedy Eng, using their uprated clutch behind a Chevy LT-1 
>> mated to an 016 in a 5000 body.  Has survived 8 years of Ice and Asphalt 
>> track abuse with a motor putting out > 400 ft/lb at 1800 RPM.
>> 
>> On 5/14/2014 4:56 AM, Cody Forbes wrote:
>>> I have a Kennedy Engineering disc for that application that I need to get rid of. I accidentally ordered the wrong one for my car and rather than pay return shipping that's 1/4 the cost of the part I prefer to sell it. It's an unsprung 6-puck type. They are a bit extreme, but I daily drove my last one for 4 years and personally don't think it's hard to use or anything. Engagement is touchy; the difference between clutched and declutched is about an inch of pedal movement. If you try to slip if too much it will chatter, but I found that after a week or two I learned how to drive with it with no chatter or anything. It held all of the power of my 5000tq on a stock 200 20vT flywheel and pressure plate until I got oil on it which is why I ordered the replacement.
>>> 
>>> -Cody Forbes (mobile)
>>> 
>>> On May 14, 2014, at 2:57 AM, Dag B?sterud <dag.boesterud at little-e.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Last year I tossed out the MC2-engine in my Sports and put in an ABY-engine.
>>>> I now need a new clutch, since the clutch from 1990 is not up to the job of
>>>> the added torque(!)
>>>> 
>>>> I will effectively need the same clutch as any Audi 200 20v, and I can see
>>>> that Spec can sell me a Stage 3 or Stage 3+ clutch, those should be up to
>>>> the job when it comes to torque,
>>>> 
>>>> although I've been reading lots of negative stuff about clutches from Spec..
>>>> 
>>>> What's your advice? Should I get one from Spec, or is there any other
>>>> manufacturer I should purchase from?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Dag
>>>> 
>>>> 1990 Audi 100 Turbo Quattro Sport Exklusiv
>>>> 
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