[s-cars] No A/C, no wipers, and finally, no start

[Robert Pastore]

Yesterday it was close to 100 degrees in NJ--Believe me, it doesn't take
long to figure out you've got no HVAC, no power windows, and no
sunroof!!!!!!!!!!

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: George Kostiuk [mailto:george at kostiuk.net]
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 8:29 AM
To: Robert Myers; Robert Pastore; 'Mike Durian'
Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
Subject: RE: [s-cars] No A/C, no wipers, and finally, no start


Guess we all gotta learn to make it a reflex to check the HVAC display
every time we start.

George

At 06:16 AM 02/08/2002 -0400, Robert Myers wrote:
>At 12:57 PM 8/1/02, Robert Pastore wrote:
>
>>Me too?
>>
>>I am relatively certain this is what happened to me about 10 minutes ago.
>>I start my car to go to lunch -- and there's a strange rattle from under
the
>>hood that doesn't go away.  No HVAC, power windows, lights, etc.  I pull
off
>>into a parking lot to investigate -- smell of burning electrics
>>Noise from rear of engine sounds like the wheel bearing on a cheap
>>rollerskate -- Step on/off clutch no change is sound.
>>Staring at engine -- WTF -- it coughs and stalls.  No restart.
>>The stall is what bothers me though -- I hope the starter didn't take a
>>flywheel tooth with it.
>
>That's probably the moment the starter began to seize up and increase the
>load on the idling engine.  The IMMEDIATE thing to be done is to slightly
>twist the ignition key to the left so that the starter stops trying to
>start an already running engine and the load relay disengages.  You can
>tell when that happens by watching the HVAC display turn on again.  This
>will allow you to replace _only_ the ignition switch.  If you wait too
>long the starter damage is done and you get to do both jobs.
>
>
>>I'm driving an s-car since 96 -- this is the first time I'm stranded!
>>Bill M.  -- Buy the starter now.  You know it'll only be a few weeks
before
>>your car does it!
>>
>>Any BTDT on starter /ignition switch change, or any other ideas?
>>
>>regards,
>>Bob (w/ZR-1 parts delivery car)
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Mike Durian [mailto:durian at boogie.com]
>>Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:11 PM
>>To: Robert Myers
>>Cc: George Kostiuk; s-car-list at audifans.com
>>Subject: Re: [s-cars] No A/C, no wipers, and finally, no start
>>
>>
>>On Tue, 30 Jul 2002 19:01:36 EDT, Robert Myers <robert at s-cars.org> wrote:
>> >George,
>> >
>> >Try this for size: your ignition switch did not return to the "run"
>> >position but stayed in the "start" position.  This keeps the starter
>> >cranking an already running engine leading to starter burn up (hence
smell
>> >of electrics burning).  It also keeps the load reduction relay engaged
so
>> >that HVAC, power windows, turn signals, headlights, etc. do not work.
On
>> >attempted restart the load reduction relay acts normally because the
switch
>> >returns to the "run" position and all the electrics appear to operate
>> >normally however the engine won't start because the starter is
>> >dead.  Cure?  Replace ignition switch and, likely, the starter or at
least
>> >the solenoid.
>>
>>FYI,
>>I removed my starter last night despite the intentions of a very stubborn
>>16mm bolt head.  Once removed, I took off the back end of the starter
>>and literally poured the brushes out like so much sand.
>>
>>Clearly, I suffered the failure you describe.
>>
>>mike
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