[s-cars] Big Brakes

Fri Aug 23 13:12:10 EDT 2002

I'll pipe up a vote of approval for the ECS Stage II kit's for those on a budget.  I have the stage II kit on my car and it has performed great.

RE Stage II on the track:
I took my car to Waterford the weekend after installing the brakes.  At that time I was running a stock engine (gasp), and no undershield tray.  I ended up getting those brakes pretty dang hot (major fade at the end of the back straight, not so good!!), and wore completely through the Mintex Red Box pads in that one day.

Since then, all tracking (including OneLap)  was done with RS2-ish engine mods, the engine undertray installed, and Carbotech Panther Plus pads.  Fade was never experienced.  The undertray seems to help the cooling a bit, and the better pads were a significant help.

Another interesting point... Even with all this ''use/abuse'', the Euro A8 (slotted Brembo brand) have not warped a single bit.

If you're really wanting to do 30 minute 10/10ths hot-lap sessions at track, then I wonder if the savings from getting a Stage II vs. Stage III would buy a nice brake ducting setup to take care of your cooling with some good change leftover too....  (and cheaper rotor replacement / turning costs ).

The downfall is not having those cooool ''cross-drilled'' rotors though...

My €0.02! :-)

Keith Maddock
'93 S4 mit ECS Stage II, many many miles away

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>>> Mark Pollan <Mark.Pollan at wcom.com> 22-Aug-02 20:12:40 >>>
Could be getting closer to my budget limitations with the Stage II.  I am
after all a current MCI/WorldCom employee so...

Regards,

Mark Pollan

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Robert Pastore
Sent:	Thursday, August 22, 2002 1:48 PM
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Subject:	RE: [s-cars] Big Brakes

Cody:

I'd guess that ECS would allow us to choose either kit at a similar %
discount.
Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: Cody Payne [mailto:Cody.Payne at bconnected.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 1:43 PM
To: Robert Pastore
Subject: RE: [s-cars] Big Brakes

Hey Robert,
	What about a GP on the Stage II kit from ECS for us guys that don't
track the car hardly?  Think there would be enough interest here too?

cp

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Pastore [mailto:rpastore at animalfeeds.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 11:31 AM
To: 's-car-list'
Subject: [s-cars] Big Brakes

I've been involved in several conversations both on line and off regarding
brake upgrades recently.
Most of these have centered around having custom hats made for the Porsche
993tt rotor, and trying to put together a "DIY Big-Red Kit"  using rs2
brackets and 993tt calipers (as marketed, but never delivered, by Sierra
Motorsport).

Looking at approximate costs:

993tt Calipers         +/- $ 275 each ( + ?? freight in)
993tt rotors               $ 135 each ( + ?? freight in)
Rs2 Brackets               $ 200/pair ( 8 week wait to import)
Mintex Pads                $ 100/set
Earls Lines                $ 70/set
Porsche Vibration Damper   $ 30/set
Ate Super Blue (2 Ltrs)    $ 20
Custom Hats ????           $ 250

Total                 +/- $1,500 complete.

All these prices are from memory or past purchases or quotes, and could be
off a little.  This morning I was on the phone with Tom @ ECS, and asked
whether he would be interested in doing a brake GP.  He said "Definitely!"

ECS has a list price of $1850 for their Stage III kit.  They only include 1
ltr of Ate Blue ( you'll need 2), but also include Porsche wear sensors (
which aren't priced in above).  If there was enough interest, I think Tom
would discount $150-200, leaving a very thin margin for himself and making
building our own kit a waste of time.

So please respond to express interest.  Once I have a semi firm idea of the
number of kits we are talking about, then Tom will commit to a GP price.
Here's a link to his website.  http://www.ecstuning.com/s4s6brakekits.htm

NOTE:

We've had plenty of Bandwidth spent on debating 996tt vs. 993tt, Bira vs.
Movit Vs. ECS vs. you name it. It was an interesting debate the first 27
times we played it....but it is really tired now.  Please don't start
another debate.  (BTW, I already have Big Red's for both my s6's -- So
unless I convince my cheapskate brother to take out his wallet, I'm not even
"in").  If you NEED 996tt monoblocks, you can't do it here. If anyone else
on the list wants to take this and run with it, and explore other options,
and have Bira/others counteroffer, please go right ahead--it's all yours!

Best regards,
Bob

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