[s-cars] A4 1.8, 3.0 or TL

Wed Dec 11 21:06:30 EST 2002

And quality far inferior, judging by some of the recent Bosch parts I have
bought and had fail :)
--Calvin

-----Original Message-----
From: TM [mailto:t44tq at mindspring.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 10:27 AM
To: 'Calvin & Diana Craig'; 'Chris Ludlow'
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Subject: RE: [s-cars] A4 1.8, 3.0 or TL

You also have to consider that back in '92, VAG and Bosch didn't have
parts plants in the Czech Republic, Hungary and other places where labor
is far cheaper than Germany.

Taka

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[mailto:s-car-list-admin at audifans.com] On Behalf Of Calvin & Diana Craig
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 12:03 AM
To: Chris Ludlow
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Subject: RE: [s-cars] A4 1.8, 3.0 or TL

Funny you should mention this, Chris.  I have had a couple of friends
with similar overall experiences.  My question would be this.  In 1992
our S-Cars were a strong $45k.  An S4 today costs about the same thing.
Hmmmm.....am I to believe that all the inflation over the last 10 years
has been offset by "productivity gains", with no shortcuts as to quality
and durability.  I think not.  Don't get me wrong, I still think they
are about the best bet out there in this price range, but the cars are
simply do not have the same attention to detail or quality standards.
All I have to say is who was the hired on Ford engineer who brought the
integral wastegate on the K03 with him and when is he being fired...oh
that's right they decided to get rid of the turbo on the 2.7T rather
than the engineer. --Calvin

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[mailto:s-car-list-admin at audifans.com]On Behalf Of Chris Ludlow
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 6:27 PM
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Subject: Re: [s-cars] A4 1.8, 3.0 or TL

I have a 2002 A4 1.8TQM with about 12k miles on it.  Just had another
ignition coil go bad on it.  This is the second one.  They fail without
warning.  Seems to be a big problem at the moment with a lot of 1.8s.
Dealerships can't keep enough coils in stock.  And, AoA states that the
car has to be flatbedded in to the dealer for repair.  Have also had
other little problems with it; washer fluid pump bad, lower driver's
seat bracket replaced (not fixed yet though) very notchy second gear.
If I was in your shoes, don't think I'd look at the new model A4's until
all the bugs are worked out.  And, they are supposed to have a 190 hp
1.8t on the way (as opposed to the 170hp)  So, this morning, I backed
the 95 S6 around the broken down A4 and went to work,  Only to have the
flatbed fairy take it to the dealer to be fixed, again.  One more time
and it's a lemon in my state. Just my 2 cents.

Chris
95 S6
02 A4 1.8tQM
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy Hull" <jhull at cs.autometric.com>
To: "'Bill Mahoney'" <wmahoney at disk.com>; "'Igor Kessel'"
<igor at s-cars.org>
Cc: <s-car-list at audifans.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 11:32 AM
Subject: RE: [s-cars] A4 1.8, 3.0 or TL

> My wife has an A4 1.8t with Tiptronic, it is a great car! Loaded, it
should
> be around $34k. A slightly used one could save you almost $6-10k over
that,
> if you are patient and shrewd!
>
> Jeremy Hull
> Software Engineer
> Space and Missile Defense Programs Office
> Boeing-Autometric
> Colorado Springs, CO
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>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:s-car-list-admin at audifans.com]On Behalf Of Bill Mahoney
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 9:15 AM
> To: Igor Kessel
> Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
> Subject: RE: [s-cars] A4 1.8, 3.0 or TL
>
>
> Thanks Igor
> 1.8 huh?  Well at least you could rebuild it for me if it breaks;)
> Does anyone know how the 3.0 performs? I wouldnt go CVT.
> I'm in Chicago btw, which is tropical Canada, but I could prolly get
by
w/o
> quattro (well plowed roads.) But Quattro is cool with SJ nearby for
> proper torsen adjustment;) Thanks much
> Bill m
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Igor Kessel [mailto:igor at s-cars.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 9:54 AM
> To: Bill Mahoney
> Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] A4 1.8, 3.0 or TL
>
>
> Bill Mahoney wrote:
> >
> > Since I have tied my brain in knots trying to figure out a new
> > vehicle for my wife, I thought I'd survey a panel of experts. I'm
> > thinking A4 3.0, quattro, non CVT automatic, denim blue, blue
> > leather, all the toys short of "mop n glow" pkg.  Would this be the
> > correct configuration?   and geesh, I think such a beast approaches
40 k
> > +tax!
> > I'd like to get it by xmas or her bday mid Jan. though xmas may be
> > difficult. Then I could save probably 5k + if I go with a Acura TL S

> > type.  (260 trouble free hp:)
> > Or I should wait for a Cayenne?
> > Any thoughts appreciated.
> > Cheers'
> > Bill M
> > 95 1/2 Avant  -loving 0 degrees C.
> > 75 Carrera -loving a nice heated storage area.
> >
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> Bill,
> I drove a 3.0 CVT and was utterly unimpressed. Noisy and slow. I'd go
> for a 1.8T w/o a doubt, then spend $500 for a chip and come out $5k
> ahead fo the 3.0. An Acura seems an attactive proposition from th
> ereliability standpoint, but then again, you live in CA as in Canada,
> not California. That alone pretty much rules out a non-quattro.
> As for the Cayennee or whatever this contraption is called - I'd
better
> shut up. ;)
>
> --
> Igor Kessel
> two turbo quattros
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