[s-cars] Re: S-CAR-List digest, Vol 1 #851 - 15 msgs

[Tom Mullane]

It sounds to me like the two visibly bent valves were damaged when the car
was not running.  The belt was off, so the cam was fixed and crank was
moved. Two open valves were damaged.  Running the engine probably resulted
in some additional contact between the pistons, the town bent valves and the
head, but the other valves should not have been touched.

Take the offer, fix the car, and get on with your life.  The last thing I
would want, if I were you, is to have them start removing pistons.  This is
not a race car; a couple of marks on the top of a piston or two should not
affect the drivability or life of the car.



> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 22:18:07 -0500
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] Re: S-car head repair
> Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
> To: Neil Swanson <neilsphoto at yahoo.com>
> From: David Molk <rmolk at cox.net>
>
>
> Hello Neil:
>
> Oh yes, they ran it. When I came in the second day and they still did
> not have the car ready, I got annoyed and asked what was happening.
> They service consultant said when they ran the car, it made some "funny
> noises" but they were sure it was just a matter of resetting the timing
> and it would be ready next day at noon. I was suspicious that the S6
> had an interference fit, and asked them, but the consultant said no, it
> did not. That was when I first contacted the S listers, and Chad Tobin
> assured me it was indeed an interference fit.
>
> So the long and short of it is that they did run the engine with the
> valve timing off and some quite distinctive noises from the valve
> train. I gave them permission to remove the head and saw two obviously
> destroyed valves in one cylinder, and a score mark on the eyebrows cut
> into the corresponding piston.
>
> The listers have been most helpful and I am truly grateful. Certainly
> is a fount of information. Hoffman does not feel any compunction to do
> it right, and to my huge surprise, Audi doesn't care at all.
>
> In contradistinction, I owned a Mercedes 4matic bought new in 93. When
> it had about 40k miles, the transfer case developed a problem. Dealer
> replaced it free on warrantee. At about 120k, it developed another
> transfer case problem. Dealer quoted $10,000 and obviously it was off
> warrantee. I called the Mercedes rep, who immediately warranteed the
> case and the dealer replaced it for free. What a huge difference from
> Audi of America, who refused to put me in touch with the zone rep, and
> refused to send me a factory recommendation on what should be done with
> a motor run without a timing belt, or with the valve timing off
> significantly. There response was"your lawyer will know how to get that
> information." Guess MB cares more about repeat sales than Audi.
>
> thanks for your help.
> Rich Molk
>
>