[s-cars] IA vs MTM

[Ron urs4green93]

It is my understanding when we get right down to it the 3.0 bar transducer
will not be a concern.  I talked to Ned during a recent quest to acquire 2
of them for a friend and myself. After thinking oh no when I do my upgrades
there will be none left and oh I better go and get one.  Ned explained
(correct me if I am wrong Ned) that the original bosh 3.0=92s where hand bu=
ilt
and it was not until recently that bosh had them packaged in a nice neat
package.  When I asked Ned so =93when I really need one (after turbo,
manifold, etc. upgrade) and say there are none left=94 did he see a problem=
 in
custom making one, he replayed that he had not done the math yet but he did
not see a problem.

This type of customer services and the ability to talk to the man is why I
will be going with IA.  I feel that quality and customer services are major
reasons in my buying decisions.

Ron



>From: Chris Covington <malth at umich.edu>
>To: Peter Anderson <panderso at maine.rr.com>
>CC: s-car-list at audifans.com
>Subject: Re: [s-cars] IA vs MTM
>Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:48:02 -0400 (EDT)
>
>Peter,
>
>That sounds like a sell tactic to me - buy MTM / Lehman now or else you
>will never be able to get a 3 bar sensor.  Does anyone have any empirical
>data / hard numbers to suggest that the 3 bar sensor MTM/Lehman is faster
>than the IA 2.5 bar?  It could be that the 2.5 bar Lehman / MTM is faster
>than the respective Lehman / MTM 3.0 bar version, but that doesn't
>necessarily mean that the 2.5 bar IA falls neatly within those categories
>and is therefore worse than the 3.0 bar Lehman / MTM.
>
>I'd be willing to take the IA instead because a) you're dealing with
>the guy who wrote the chip himself b) he's an upstanding member of the
>quattro lists and c) custom development is not out of the question.  To
>elaborate on c) - if you go with Lehman / MTM and would like a custom
>turbo, custom injector, different MAF, etc. - tough luck, you have 2 or 3
>cookie-cutter choices and that's it.  The sellers have no understanding
>how to custom develop your own solution, and have no future plans to do
>so.  And finally d) no one has any real hard data to backup why,
>cross-brand, the 3.0 bar is worth getting over the 2.5 bar, other than a
>warm fuzzy feeling.
>
>Also, wasn't there a thread before mentioning the viability of using a GM
>3.0 bar sensor instead, etc.?  Maybe they aren't even truly scarce to
>begin with.
>
>Chris
>'91 200q20v
>
>
>On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, Peter Anderson wrote:
>
> > Chris,
> >
> > I have not - and his product would be my first choice _IF_ he was
>including
> > the 3 bar xducer.  Because he will not sell us the III+, I have to look
>to
> > Hoppen / MTM.   Ned says he is "saving" his supply but will he guarantee
> > there will be one available for me in two years if I decide to
>up-the-ante
> > as far as my mods are concerned?  Even if I believed that, it means I
>have
> > to accept less performance now- perhaps performance that I could be
>happy
> > with for as long as I own this car (no further engine mods).  I have not
> > driven any other UrS cars with mods so I have to judge from the
>commentary
> > of list members I have read  over the last few days.  What I am hearing
> > tells me I should get the 3 bar mod because a) it really does offer more
> > performance and b) they may not be there in the near future.  I guess my
> > final question for Ned (if he's lurking) is: who, if not those on this
>list
> > with 20v I5 turbos, would need / want the 3-bar units anyway?  Are these
> > useful for other models ( 1.8t, Neu S4, S6, RS6?? )?  If they are not,
>then
> > I must assume you have so very few that you are reserving them for
>existing
> > customers who are ALREADY on the upgrade path with your product.  An
> > honorable decision in my book but still one that points me right back to
> > Hoppen.
> >
> > Peter Anderson
> > 93 S4 mit 6 speed and other stuff
> >
> >
> > 06/18/02 10:55 PM, "Chris Covington" <malth at umich.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > Let's all not forget that Ned is on the list, and MTM, or Lehman, or
> > > whoever, isn't.  Also, when you deal with MTM / Lehman, you're dealing
> > > with a reseller and not the guy who codes the chips himself - I always
> > > like to avoid as many third parties as possible, and with the Ned, the
> > > buck stops here, so to speak.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > > '91 200q20v
> >
>
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