[s-cars] In Other News...

Wed Nov 6 12:39:34 EST 2002

For a time we had a GTI1.8t (mine, chipped only) and an S4tt in the family
(my wife's). If I caught it "right", I could stay w/the S4tt for a short
time on the Fwy, or quick blasts in the city. Of course, throw in a standing
start (or rain) and it was another story. Given it's "head", the S4 would
quickly lose the GTI. My GTI in this tune was significantly faster than a
GTIvr6.

Now we have 2 S4tts (mine an avant), and the performance is surprisingly
close :)

Final data point, I gave an '02 C4-cab a fright in the avant, which is
totally stock. This was from ~60-120 on the Fwy. He was in front & I was
chasing. The C4 was being driven in "anger", to lose the pesky wagon, which
he couldn't.

Does this mean I think the S4tt is as fast as a C4? No. It means that with
good timing it can stay w/some very fast cars. IMHO, the only "real" test is
a standing start run -- 1/4, 1/2, 1mi...

Final thing to consider re: the neu & "old" S4s is that weight becomes less
of an issue as speeds increase. At higher speeds it's more about HP vs drag.
I'm not sure how the CDs compare between the two, but it's something to
conside.r

Scott
'02S4Avant
'00S4
'00Miata "project"

Message: 9
From: "Paul Friedenberg" <paulunm at msn.com>
To: t44tq at mindspring.com, pizzoman at yahoo.com, airs41994 at hotmail.com,
	konecc at snet.net
Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
Subject: RE: [s-cars] In Other News...
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 19:32:35 +0000

We went through several gears. Hard to be caught off boost in this
situation. Maybe the guy was just an idiot and shifted at 3500 rpms. No,
probably not.

>From: t44tq at mindspring.com
>To: 'Paul Friedenberg' <paulunm at msn.com>, pizzoman at yahoo.com,
>airs41994 at hotmail.com, konecc at snet.net
>CC: s-car-list at audifans.com
>Subject: RE: [s-cars] In Other News...
>Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 13:31:51 -0500
>
>Ever think the guy could have been in the wrong gear and caught
>off-boost?
>
>I had a hard time losing a Saturn L200, but that was cruising at 60
>and letting him get all the way to my rear bumper before downshifting
>to 3rd, he got to my B-pillar before I pulled on him.
>
>VR6 VWs are slow compared to the 200q20v, UrS, S4tt, etc.
>
>I'm sure I could pull on a Z06 if he was cruising in 6th and I
>was in 3rd at WOT.
>
>Taka
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Paul Friedenberg [mailto:paulunm at msn.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 1:22 PM
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>
>
>Taka
>
>We did not race from a stop, it was probably from 50-90mph. Two people
>in
>the GTI with 18" BBS. And the S4tt did have a BIG problem destroying the
>
>GTI, remember the S4tt was completely stock. I'm not saying that a
>chipped
>or otherwise modified S4 would not beat a GTI, but this stock one S4 was
>not
>able to beat a slightly modified GTI. Just the facts...
>
>
>Paul "Cars other than Audis can be fast too" Friedenberg
>
>
>
> >From: t44tq at mindspring.com
> >To: 'Paul Friedenberg' <paulunm at msn.com>, pizzoman at yahoo.com,
> >airs41994 at hotmail.com, konecc at snet.net
> >CC: s-car-list at audifans.com
> >Subject: RE: [s-cars] In Other News...
> >Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 12:47:04 -0500
> >
> >Paul-
> >I've seen S4tts launched well- there is NO WAY a well-driven S4tt would
>
> >have any problem destroying a FWD GTI. Even with a Quaife you're not
> >going to be able to launch the car like a quattro.
> >
> >If you want proof, go to Audiworld and look up Blitzkrieg or some of
> >the other S4tt drag racers- those time slips are the real deal, BTST at
>
> >Englishtown. I'd like to see a VR6 GTI in the 12s without massive
> >modification, lightening, etc.
> >
> >Once the S4tt has K04s and RS4 ICs and ancillaries installed, you
> >better bring some really heavy firepower to the table- AWE's 420hp S4tt
>
> >Avant is way faster than an E39 M5. You'd need to spend far more than
> >$15k on your UrS to match that.
> >
> >The S4tt is also much faster at the track, given equal drivers,
> >although it's still a pig compared to a bunch of P-cars.
> >
> >Taka
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Paul Friedenberg [mailto:paulunm at msn.com]
> >Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 12:34 PM
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> >konecc at snet.net
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> >Subject: RE: [s-cars] In Other News...
> >
> >
> >The GTI wasn't COMPLETELY stock, it had a Kraftswerke 6 speed, intake
> >and exhaust. Close to stock though, and yes, I did hang with the 2.7.
> >Don't have
> >video proof though. :0
> >
> >You'd be suprised how much difference that 6 speed had on acceleration.
>
> >It had a VERY short 1st gear. You couldn't launch in first without
> >spinning the
> >tires- ever.
> >
> >
> >
> > >Paul-
> > >You must have driven a really poor example of a S4tt- they're very
> > >fast. There is no way you'd be able to keep up with even a stock one
> > >in a stock VR6 GTI.
> > >
> > >Taka
> >
> >
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