[s-cars] RE: SSOS-cars] Speaking of G-12 Coolant..
Bill Healy
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Wed Nov 13 08:02:22 EST 2002
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1. Re: In Other News... (FvAMI at aol.com)
2. Re: Re: s-cars] oil pan gasket help (Theodore Chen)
3. Re: In Other News... (Theodore Chen)
4. RE: Bosch Platimum+4 Plugs (jimk at spotgraphicsinc.com)
5. RE: RE: Bosch Platimum+4 Plugs (mlp qwest)
6. Re: [SOS-cars] Speaking of G-12 Coolant.... (tblack)
7. Re: Please Help - Car bucking under WOT (Greg Wolters)
8. QuattroFest @ PIR, Euro Headlamp Lens & Tail light
(belikeh20 at attbi.com)
9. RE: Bosch Platimum+4 Plugs (t44tq at mindspring.com)
10. RE: RE: Bosch Platimum+4 Plugs (t44tq at mindspring.com)
11. RE: Bosch Platimum+4 Plugs (James Murray (LMC))
12. RE: Re: [SOS-cars] Speaking of G-12 Coolant.... (Dave Burig)
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Message: 1
From: FvAMI at aol.com
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:00:53 EST
Subject: Re: [s-cars] In Other News...
To: calvinlc at earthlink.net
Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
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In a message dated 11/7/02 7:12:23 PM Pacific Standard Time,
calvinlc at earthlink.net writes:
> Ever driven a Yamaha Taurus SHO 3.0 liter engine? It's kind of funny that
> here we are 13 years later and Audi FINALLY caught up to the 220 HP of
> normally aspirated power this thing put out, and it's redline was 7k. All
> that in 1989. Kind of like the "new" seat warmers that the GM SUVs have
in
> them :)
> --Calvin
>
>
>
The UrS4 puts out a lot more than 227 HP stock. Unless the drive efficiency
is about 5%. I would estimate it to be about 245 - 250 (15% drivetrain
efficiency). It is clear that the Germans tend to underrate the Horsepower
... the Japanese (except cars like the Skyline etc.) and the US tend to give
you exaggerated HP figures (at least compared to the German models).
Best regards,
Feico van der Laan
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:30:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Theodore Chen <tedebearp at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [s-cars] Re: s-cars] oil pan gasket help
To: Brian Dangel <bdangel at yahoo.com>, s-car-list at audifans.com
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>
> Thanks. I'll take a look tonight. Talked to a mechanic that had the same
> thoughts only he suspected the oil pressure switch. Any experience with
that
> one as far as replacement?
>
> Brian 93 S4
yes, i mentioned it on the list a few times. mine started leaking
after i switched to synthetic, and i replaced it. the switch was
less than $10 from the dealer, and it was easy to change. it's on
the driver's side of the engine, toward the front.
-teddy
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:10:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Theodore Chen <tedebearp at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [s-cars] In Other News...
To: FvAMI at aol.com, calvinlc at earthlink.net
Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
--- FvAMI at aol.com wrote:
>
> > Ever driven a Yamaha Taurus SHO 3.0 liter engine? It's kind of funny
that
> > here we are 13 years later and Audi FINALLY caught up to the 220 HP of
> > normally aspirated power this thing put out, and it's redline was 7k.
All
> > that in 1989. Kind of like the "new" seat warmers that the GM SUVs have
in
> > them :)
> > --Calvin
> >
>
> The UrS4 puts out a lot more than 227 HP stock. Unless the drive
efficiency
> is about 5%. I would estimate it to be about 245 - 250 (15% drivetrain
> efficiency). It is clear that the Germans tend to underrate the Horsepower
> ... the Japanese (except cars like the Skyline etc.) and the US tend to
give
> you exaggerated HP figures (at least compared to the German models).
ok, but the V-6 SHO definitely wasn't an example of overrating.
BTW, the engine was capable of revving higher than its factory rating,
which was selected because the accessories didn't like being run
over 7k rpm.
-teddy
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:14:52 -0800
From: jimk at spotgraphicsinc.com
To: wmahoney at disk.com
Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
Reply-To: jimk at spotgraphicsinc.com
Subject: [s-cars] RE: Bosch Platimum+4 Plugs
Bill,
You have gotten shorter and have been working on your tan since I last
saw you.... :-)
Jim
Message: 13
From: wmahoney at disk.com (Bill Mahoney)
To: "mlp qwest" <mlped at qwest.net>,
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Subject: RE: [s-cars] RE: Bosch Platimum+4 Plugs
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:23:25 -0600
Mike
Tom&Ray failed to mention that with every purchase you get a date with
the
Denso girls:)
http://www.autoindustriya.com/ads/images/denso/aff01.jpg
And a tee shirt.
Bill M -once married to a "Dense-O" girl. (And I'm bein nice:)
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:06:07 -0700
From: "mlp qwest" <mlped at qwest.net>
To: "Bill Mahoney" <wmahoney at disk.com>,
"mlp qwest" <mlped at qwest.net>,
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Subject: RE: [s-cars] RE: Bosch Platimum+4 Plugs
Well Bill, I think I see a potential problem here in an Audi application!
How can we be sure the short plug will properly meet up with the high
tension rubber boots?
:-)
mlp
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~Mike
~Tom&Ray failed to mention that with every purchase you get a date with the
~Denso girls:)
~http://www.autoindustriya.com/ads/images/denso/aff01.jpg
~And a tee shirt.
~Bill M -once married to a "Dense-O" girl. (And I'm bein nice:)
~
Tom,
Check your heater valve under the rain drain. I just replaced mine, it leaks
when your heat is on.
Bill
'93 S4
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From: "tblack" <Tblack5 at cogeco.ca>
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 16:46:38 -0500
Subject: [s-cars] Re: [SOS-cars] Speaking of G-12 Coolant....
Have you looked at the coolant manifold under the intake manifold. This is
an area that leaks and is difficult to spot . Get a small mirror and take a
look. If this is where the leak is, also have the small hose in the same
area changed as it requires the same dismantling. The intake manifold has to
be removed to do this install. Eurotech did mine.
HTH.
Tom Black.
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Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:30 AM
Subject: [SOS-cars] Speaking of G-12 Coolant....
> Does the G-12 appear to be "thinner" than the G-11? I had my coolant
> flushed and replaced a short while back when I had the water pump and
> thermostat replaced. The "old" stuff was pink, so I can't assume the G-11
> was in there previously, but definitely G-12 now.
>
> I now seem to be leaking very minimally and can't seem to figure out
where?
> Can smell that "maple syrup" aroma once in a while when I get out of the
> car, but can't seem to find any spot that might be the culprit. There is
a
> small build-up (maybe 10-20 drops worth) on the rear/middle of the belly
> pan. It only started to happen as the cool weather came around too.
> Coolant temps are rock solid, even with spirited driving.
>
> Any thoughts? Anyone else solve this mystery?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan 97 S6 - Toronto
>
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:53:26 -0800
From: Greg Wolters <GJWArch at 95959.com>
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Organization: Gregory J. Wolters, Architect
To: mungerts at uneedspeed.net
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Subject: Re: [s-cars] Please Help - Car bucking under WOT
Hi Scott,
On my 94 S4 it was the ribbed hose from the boost pipe into the inter cooler
underneath the engine, driver's side (the Michelin Man hose, I believe). It
gets a lot of wear and tear down near the road and will often split in the
ribbed area... split wasn't obvious but the hose looked old and worn with
some
oil that had dripped on it (or out of it!). Same symptoms as you
described...
replaced it with my Samco hose from the group purchase... problem solved!
When I pulled the codes I got 2413 "Mixture adjustment adaptation limit
exceeded".
Hope this helps... good luck!
Greg Wolters
94 S4
Finally sold my 86 4KCSQ... kind of miss it
Scott Munger wrote:
> While the image of a bucking car is humorous, I'm not laughing :-(
>
> My wife and I took the S car to Vegas yesterday. We live in Flagstaff
(7300
> ft, 42 degrees))...
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:31:32 -0800
From: belikeh20 at attbi.com
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Subject: [s-cars] QuattroFest @ PIR, Euro Headlamp Lens & Tail light
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Just ordered (not in stock, not in a hurry) a set of the Euro Headlight
Lenses
from PG Performance 888.806.7978 www.pgperformance.com for $157Cdn (includes
UPS ground shipping to Seattle about $104USD). PUMA wanted $75US ea. plus $9
shipping, but they're in stock.
Just ordered, only 2 sets left, the Euro Tail light set (Red but blinks
amber
when turning) from PUMA for $119US + shipping.
Who on the list was selling the conversion for the low beams only?
Just got back from the "sold out 2 years in a row" Quattrofest run by Audis
NW
a chapter of ACCNA at Portland Int'l Raceway. A blast as usual! Only sour
note was a student (special order A4 3.0 sunroof delete & cloth seats thinks
it's the only one in the U.S.) who wouldn't listen & griped about having to
pay $15 helmet rental because he brought a motorcycle helmet from the 70's,
so
I gave him to another instructor, and so on.... (likes under-inflated tires
because that's how he normally drives on the street, holds steering wheel at
9
& 12 to get ready to turn through the Festival of Curves chicane, & likes
his
Eagle Talon). Did I mention first track day??? It was pouring down Quattro
weather, we call it "Liquid Sunshine"! Talk about slick, with my bald tires
I
spun at turn 1 trying to get used to the 6-spd gearing, but I learned the
"wet
line" from one of the Cascade Sports Car Instructors and then got it loose
again, but recovered this time (still got black flagged & had to come in).
Last year at PIR, my 3rd gear went out. Larry Vollum had his silver RS4
there, but didn't take it out (owns 959, Sport Quattro, Mits Evo Tommy
Makkinen ed., Ford Cosworth RS2000,etc...). PIR is the only city owned
racetrack in the country (and the cheapest to rent) & it hosts a CART race
every summer & in the past ALMS.
Intended Acceleration (Ned Ritchie), Scott Mockry (SJM Technik) with his
gold
fast 5000, & Achtuning (RS4 prepped S4) were there & donated or sponsored
items. The Parts Connection (Rod) & Sunset Audi paid for lunch. University
Audi also sponsored. Ronal Wheels donated a $500 Gift Certificate for
auction
( I lost, sold for $380).
I instructed a guy from Vancouver, BC who had a Mini Cooper S & with a few
gear changes got his buddy in a Fast & the Furious Supra Turbo to move over
(fun car-the Mini that is). I later then got in the Supra & tried the same
maneuver, but got loose at turn 2, where I had a little problem also. The
car
sounded cool, but we were getting spanked by tuned neu-S4's (had two
riced/F&F-Supras
there & they actually eat rice... hey so do I!). Their buddy brought a F&F
'93 NSX in an enclosed trailer (I teched him) that spun & was slow so we had
to put him in a slower group, it didn't like the rain. The last time we had
a
NSX at our Audi event, it had a new supercharger (stock wheels & brakes)
spin
on the warm-up lap into a tire wall (I watched it happen, he lifted-cold
tires, cold brakes, cold brain). The "other" Chris Miller (Vegas) brought
his
E46 M3 (second engine), the blue one that was at the Laguna NoCal event.
Incidentally, I'm voting for Chris Miller (Bentley Publishing, E. coast one)
because he was at PIR last year & bought me a beer.
Dominic Dobson, Seattle native, former Champ Car driver was our guest
speaker
talking about his racing experiences, etc... He believes CART will be gone
in
a year-and-a-half & it will be all IRL. This is due to CART going public.
IRL & F1 work well because they are run by a dictator like George &
Ecclestone
& they promote their drivers and got the sponsors. NASCAR took all the
sponsors away from CART & they promote their drivers. He would like to get
into rally racing next, but is currently busy with his vintage race car
management company (sorry, forgot the name).
Back of the 9th Annual QuattroFest T-shirt Nov 9-10 at PIR:
Top 10 reasons to own an Audi
Ten months of rain, rain, and rain
Nein schieben (no sliding)
R8 dominance at LeMans
Seven Sedan Championships (1996)
Six car models (A3, A/S/RS4, A/S/RS6, A/S8, TT, Allroad)
Five cylinders (uhr) -or- five valves per cylinder (neu)
Four Silver Rings
Three local rcetracks (PIR, PRI, Bremerton)
Two day National Quattrofest Event
One Motto - Never Follow
Nathan Belo
'92 S4 Pearl/Ecru IA III+, 5/95.5 S2 CGR 6-spd, Red Samco hoses in the box &
ECS clamps too, bad Blaring/Alarming Bose Speaker amp passenger right front,
needs tires, brakes, & rotors.
Seattle, WA
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:18:20 -0500
From: t44tq at mindspring.com
Subject: RE: [s-cars] Bosch Platimum+4 Plugs
To: "'James Murray (LMC)'" <James.Murray at ericsson.ca>,
s-car-list at audifans.com
James-
No. The Platin plugs are a different line of plugs
altogether.
IMHO, the Platinum +4 plugs are junk- very thin platinum
electrode, no real improvement over stock, sometimes it's
a downgrade over stock.
Stick w/ the OEM plug or investigate the colder Bosch
plugs if you're running really high boost- there is at
least one or two significantly colder, I can ask about the
part numbers in a few days- a buddy uses them in his race
car.
Taka
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Subject: [s-cars] Bosch Platimum+4 Plugs
Speaking of Spark Plugs... does Bosch make the F5DPOR in the Platinum+4
type model?
http://www.boschusa.com/AutoParts/SparkPlugs/PlatinumPlus4/
I can't find them on the part finder.
Cheers, /James.
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:25:15 -0500
From: t44tq at mindspring.com
Subject: RE: [s-cars] RE: Bosch Platimum+4 Plugs
To: 'Bill Mahoney' <wmahoney at disk.com>,
'mlp qwest' <mlped at qwest.net>,
'Bruce Mendel' <brucem105 at comcast.net>,
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BTW,
Some of the crazier A4 guys running APR StageIII/III+
or have 2L conversions and the like have reported bad
results w/ the Denso Iridiums and (!) they went to the
Bosch FD5POR with greatly improved results.
I'm not sure if fellow lister Rich Sierra can chime in,
I thought he had some experience with them.
Taka
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From: "James Murray (LMC)" <James.Murray at ericsson.ca>
To: "'t44tq at mindspring.com'" <t44tq at mindspring.com>,
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Subject: RE: [s-cars] Bosch Platimum+4 Plugs
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:27:39 -0500
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Thanks Taka, good info. I'd be interested to hear more about these colder
Bosch plugs if you find out.
Cheers, /James.
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> Sent: November 12, 2002 6:18 PM
> To: 'James Murray (LMC)'; s-car-list at audifans.com
> Subject: RE: [s-cars] Bosch Platimum+4 Plugs
>
> James-
> No. The Platin plugs are a different line of plugs
> altogether.
>
> IMHO, the Platinum +4 plugs are junk- very thin platinum
> electrode, no real improvement over stock, sometimes it's
> a downgrade over stock.
>
> Stick w/ the OEM plug or investigate the colder Bosch
> plugs if you're running really high boost- there is at
> least one or two significantly colder, I can ask about the
> part numbers in a few days- a buddy uses them in his race
> car.
>
> Taka
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:s-car-list-admin at audifans.com] On Behalf Of James Murray (LMC)
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 10:08 AM
> To: 's-car-list at audifans.com'
> Subject: [s-cars] Bosch Platimum+4 Plugs
>
>
> Speaking of Spark Plugs... does Bosch make the F5DPOR in the Platinum+4
> type model?
>
> http://www.boschusa.com/AutoParts/SparkPlugs/PlatinumPlus4/
>
> I can't find them on the part finder.
>
> Cheers, /James.
>
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From: "Dave Burig" <dburig at igsenergy.com>
To: "tblack" <Tblack5 at cogeco.ca>, <SOS-cars at yahoogroups.com>,
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Subject: RE: [s-cars] Re: [SOS-cars] Speaking of G-12 Coolant....
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:26:11 -0500
Dan,
While you're changing the hoses connected to the coolant manifold, you
should also replace the hose that feeds the hard line that runs to he
turbocharger. Mine let go about a week ago, right outside the dealer's
service bay door! Don't do what my stealership did, however, and replace it
with stock NAPA coolant hose. This is an Audi pn. hose, although I can't
provide the # to you at the moment. It's some kind of reinforced stuff that
can tolerate the heat cycling that it's subject to down there, even though
it's on the cool side of the engine. I've seen a coolant hose replacement
kit (through Blau I think) that I'm definitely going to do when I do my
timing belt.
Dave Burig
Columbus, Ohio
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Subject: [s-cars] Re: [SOS-cars] Speaking of G-12 Coolant....
Have you looked at the coolant manifold under the intake manifold. This is
an area that leaks and is difficult to spot . Get a small mirror and take a
look. If this is where the leak is, also have the small hose in the same
area changed as it requires the same dismantling. The intake manifold has to
be removed to do this install. Eurotech did mine.
HTH.
Tom Black.
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From: "Dan Bertram" <dbertram at mcloughlinpromotions.com>
To: <s-car-list at audifans.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:30 AM
Subject: [SOS-cars] Speaking of G-12 Coolant....
> Does the G-12 appear to be "thinner" than the G-11? I had my coolant
> flushed and replaced a short while back when I had the water pump and
> thermostat replaced. The "old" stuff was pink, so I can't assume the G-11
> was in there previously, but definitely G-12 now.
>
> I now seem to be leaking very minimally and can't seem to figure out
where?
> Can smell that "maple syrup" aroma once in a while when I get out of the
> car, but can't seem to find any spot that might be the culprit. There is
a
> small build-up (maybe 10-20 drops worth) on the rear/middle of the belly
> pan. It only started to happen as the cool weather came around too.
> Coolant temps are rock solid, even with spirited driving.
>
> Any thoughts? Anyone else solve this mystery?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan 97 S6 - Toronto
>
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