Subject: Re: [s-cars] weird vibrationon 94 S4?!?!

[Rick Pastore]

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>    1. Re: weird vibrationon 94 S4?!?! (Paul Friedenberg)
>    2. Rear Brakes, Stereo Upgrade, & Ignition Timing (Bruce Mendel)
>    3. Living at altitude (CaptMagu at aol.com)
>    4. s-cars] Good Boost Gauge (Wayne Dohnal)
>    5. s-cars] Re: Oil Filter (Wayne Dohnal)
>    6. Re: Oil Filter (=?iso-8859-1?B?Qmr4cm4g2GRlZ+VyZA==?=)
>    7. Re: Oil Filter (Paul Friedenberg)
>    8. RE: Re: One turbo and 5 cylinders not enough foryourUr S-Car?
(Theodore Chen)
>    9. Sway bars (Richard Tanimura)
>   10. Re: Living at altitude (=?iso-8859-1?B?Qmr4cm4g2GRlZ+VyZA==?=)
>   11. S4 bumper same as S6 bumper? Retrofit S6 wheel to S4? (Paul Park)
>   12. FW: [s-cars] Re: New S4 Avant shown (Miikka Salonen)
>
> --__--__--
>Paul, I have the same problem with the Porshe break kit I just installed. I
had the rotors surface cut and still have a slight noise. What did you do to
fix your problem?


> Message: 1
> From: "Paul Friedenberg" <paulunm at msn.com>
> To: airs41994 at hotmail.com, s-car-list at audifans.com
>     > Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 03:55:01 +0000
>
> Would you happen to have a porsche brake upgrade? I had a strange
> vibration/humming(not the good kind), due to the rotors being slightly
> warped. Felt and sounded like a wheel bearing. I hear it only happens on
the
> S6, but hey, I had to ask.
>
>
> >From: "Angelo Alexopoulos" <airs41994 at hotmail.com>
> >To: s-car-list at audifans.com
> >Subject: [s-cars] weird vibrationon 94 S4?!?!
> >Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 19:14:22 -0400
> >
> >Hi all,
> >I have this weird noise coming from the front right of the car. It only
> >happens when the car is going 75 mph or more and if the car is turing
left.
> >If the road, preferably on the highway, turns into a long left sweeper
and
> >i
> >am travelling at 75+MPH I get that vibration. Is it a strut or a wheel
> >bearing making that noise? Any others have this happen to them? Thanks
> >Guys!
> >
> >
> >
> >AngeloA
> >94 S4
> >83 urq
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 00:04:20 -0400
> From: Bruce Mendel <brucem105 at comcast.net>
> To: s-car-list at audifans.com
> Subject: [s-cars] Rear Brakes, Stereo Upgrade, & Ignition Timing
>
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> Three questions for which I humbly beg the answers from the collective
wisd=
> om of the list:
>
> 1=2E Is there a decent rear brake upgrade for a 93 S4? I know it's not
crit=
> ical, but for the MSRP of an OEM rear caliper (~$900), I figure I can use
t=
> he same money towards a whole new rear system. Note that I am NOT looking
f=
> or a cheaper OEM caliper, but rather an upgrade that (hopefully) is in the
=
> same price ballpark.
>
> 2=2E My stereo amp is dead, as is the CD changer, as is the AM section in
m=
> y Bose radio. Since all of these items are warranted by my fancy new
warran=
> ty, I am thinking I'll take the same dollars and buy a non-OEM solution.
Lo=
> oking for good clean crisp sound with tight bottom end. I've always
thought=
>  Bose system sounds good for OEM, but can't drive to high dBs and missing
v=
> ery clear details. Also, anyone know who repairs Bose amps (the rear one)
i=
> f I need to get that done?
>
> 3=2E Any way to tell when running RS2 setup and insanely high boost if the
=
> ignition is being retarded? I know the driver is (so save your jokes), but
=
> how can I tell if and how much it's being set back when running hard?
>
> Thanks all!
>
> Bruce
>
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>
> Message: 3
> From: CaptMagu at aol.com
> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 00:12:15 EDT
> To: s-car-list at audifans.com
> Subject: [s-cars] Living at altitude
>
> s-heads,
>
> Just thought I'd share with the group what I awoke to this fine high
altitude
> Evergreen(I do live 8000 ft above sea level) morning. SNOW! Yes Martha,
there
> was 3" of snow on the ground this morning. Do you have any idea what that
> means? Invincibility! As I pulled on to the Interstate 70 this morning in
> search of torque my outside air temp read 32 degrees F. The Happersize
turbo
> was on line. My Apexi boost controller is set to 22 lbs for every day
driving
> but no Martha, this was not everyday. Down I reached into the ashtray area
> where the Apexi lurks. A couple of button pushes later(did I mention how
hard
> that sucker is to program; thanks Pete Tsai) and we're in high boost mode
at
> 26 lbs. Off we go! Pure unadulterated torque. Gobs of torque. There is
> something in knowing that the car you are driving is just about
invincible.
> What great cars these are! I was watching the responces to the guys
request
> for info on the 200 vs urS. In my mind the only choice from the
upgradability
> standpoint is the urS period, end of discussion. So its time to turn in
but I
> just thought that some of you would like to know.
>
> Hap, dreaming away in Evergreen, Maguire
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 4
> From: "Wayne Dohnal" <dohnal at hevanet.com>
> To: "S-car list" <s-car-list at audifans.com>, <urs6_20valve at yahoo.com>
> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:15:29 -0700
> Subject: [s-cars] s-cars] Good Boost Gauge
>
> I installed a VDO Vision series boost gauge in my S4.  The gauge itself is
> fairly cheap, I think under $40.  It's a black-faced gauge and has red
> backlighting, but the quality of the backlighting isn't as good as the
rest
> of the instruments.  The gauge itself seems to work well.
>
> I agonized for at least a month over where to place it.  I wanted it in a
> place that's easy to read while driving, which ruled out putting it under
> the climate controls.  I also didn't want it prominently sticking out,
> ruling out the A-pillar or on top of the dash.  I ended up placing it in
the
> blank dashboard space to the left of the steering wheel, just under the
wood
> trim.  It's risky, because drilling the hole is difficult and there's not
> much leeway in its placement to avoid the gauge hitting something behind
the
> panel.  And if you butcher up the panel covering you could be sorry (I did
> this a little, but fortunately I had some black RTV silicone that's a
pretty
> good color match for the black panel).  There's no room behind the panel
in
> this area for any mounting hardware.  I addressed  this my making the hole
> so the gauge is a nice tight friction fit in the panel.
>
> The end result is definitely a compromise between a good viewing angle and
> the gauge not looking like an obvious add-on.  My wife says that it looks
> like it came with the car.  I think it would look like an add-on if the
> panel bottom wasn't black to match the gauge.
>
> Wayne Dohnal
> 1994 S4
>
>
>
> >I have a chipped 95 S6 and have been thinking about
> >installing a boost gauge in it. Problem is, I'm really
> >not that creative, so it's been agony trying to come
> >up with a good gauge that can be put somewhere where
> >it doesn't look tacky or just plain bad. Does anyone
> >have any suggestions and btdt on installing a good
> >looking boost gauge on the S6? Thanks.
> >
> >Matt Molyneux
> >95 S6 MTM 1+ w/ brand new Hyperboost Bypass valve
> >(new valve definately recommended)
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 5
> From: "Wayne Dohnal" <dohnal at hevanet.com>
> To: "S-car list" <s-car-list at audifans.com>, <brian at atomicham.com>
> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:19:25 -0700
> Subject: [s-cars] s-cars] Re: Oil Filter
>
> I bought a couple of filters from Blau and they sent me OC-264s.  I
haven't
> attempted to use them yet, so I'd also like to have some confirmation from
> somebody in the know what the correct filter is.
>
> Wayne Dohnal
> 1994 S4
>
> >I have always seen the Mahle OC-154 quoted as for our application.
> >
> >Anyone else have the definitive vote?
> >
> >I hope it is the 154 as I have ~12 OC-154's in the garage that I have
> >been using...
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Brian
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 6
> Reply-To: "=?iso-8859-1?B?Qmr4cm4g2GRlZ+VyZA==?=" <beernuts at online.no>
> From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?Qmr4cm4g2GRlZ+VyZA==?=" <beernuts at online.no>
> To: <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] Oil Filter
> Date:  Thu, 3 Oct 2002 07:41:20 +0200
>
> I've always used the Audi filter, as it's a high-pressure filter. (Heard
> some stories about green and orange blown out filters..) In addition,
> the Audi filters are long-life (I change them at each oilchange
> anyway..) and pretty cheap! Actually, in Norway the original filter is
> the cheapest!!
> I guess the car also runs smoother with a black filter.. ;o))
>
> Bjorn  :o)
> '92 S4
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Bonnet" <jimbo at sysdump.com>
> To: <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 8:56 PM
> Subject: [s-cars] Oil Filter
>
>
> > Is anyone using MAHLE oil filters for the urS4 application? I ususally
> > get MANN and am a little upset to see this different filter from the
> > supplier.. I guess Im getting old and don't like to change my habits..
> > The one sent is "MAHLE OC 264" which has VAG equiv of: 06A 115 561 B
> > which is a valid part # for the urs oil filter it looks like.
> >
> > I suppose if I continue to change the oil every 3-5k miles and thrown
> > the filter away everytime it doesnt much matter..
> >
> > anyway- take care-
> > Jim
> >
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> Message: 7
> From: "Paul Friedenberg" <paulunm at msn.com>
> To: beernuts at online.no, s-car-list at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] Oil Filter
> Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 05:51:51 +0000
>
> Mann filters are just as good OEM, and MUCH cheaper.
>
>
> >From: "Bj=F8rn =D8deg=E5rd" <beernuts at online.no>
> >Reply-To: "Bj=F8rn =D8deg=E5rd" <beernuts at online.no>
> >To: <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> >Subject: Re: [s-cars] Oil Filter
> >Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 07:41:20 +0200
> >
> >I've always used the Audi filter, as it's a high-pressure filter. (Heard
> >some stories about green and orange blown out filters..) In addition,
> >the Audi filters are long-life (I change them at each oilchange
> >anyway..) and pretty cheap! Actually, in Norway the original filter is
> >the cheapest!!
> >I guess the car also runs smoother with a black filter.. ;o))
> >
> >Bjorn  :o)
> >'92 S4
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Jim Bonnet" <jimbo at sysdump.com>
> >To: <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> >Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 8:56 PM
> >Subject: [s-cars] Oil Filter
> >
> >
> > > Is anyone using MAHLE oil filters for the urS4 application? I ususally
> > > get MANN and am a little upset to see this different filter from the
> > > supplier.. I guess Im getting old and don't like to change my habits..
> > > The one sent is "MAHLE OC 264" which has VAG equiv of: 06A 115 561 B
> > > which is a valid part # for the urs oil filter it looks like.
> > >
> > > I suppose if I continue to change the oil every 3-5k miles and thrown
> > > the filter away everytime it doesnt much matter..
> > >
> > > anyway- take care-
> > > Jim
> > >
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:59:59 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Theodore Chen <tedebearp at yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: [s-cars] Re: One turbo and 5 cylinders not enough foryourUr
S-Car?
> To: Paul Friedenberg <paulunm at msn.com>, pizzoman at yahoo.com,
> Keith.Maddock at trw.com, s-car-list at audifans.com
>
> that depends.  does he know how to fix audis?  can he give a
> definitive answer about torsen differentials?
>
> -teddy
>
> --- Paul Friedenberg <paulunm at msn.com> wrote:
> > Not even ponies? How about monkeys? I have one for sale if you like.
> >
> >
> > >From: Theodore Chen <tedebearp at yahoo.com>
> > >To: Paul Friedenberg <paulunm at msn.com>,
> > >pizzoman at yahoo.com,Keith.Maddock at trw.com, s-car-list at audifans.com
> > >Subject: RE: [s-cars] Re: One turbo and 5 cylinders not enough
foryourUr
> > >S-Car?
> > >Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 15:09:49 -0700 (PDT)
> > >
> > >as a matter of fact, i do.
> > >
> > >but let's stick to audis, shall we?  i don't think we've had a torsen
> > >discussion lately.  :)
> > >
> > >-teddy
> > >
> > >--- Paul Friedenberg <paulunm at msn.com> wrote:
> > > > I don't think we should limit our discussions to just Audis. I'd
like to
> > >see
> > > > some heated discussions concerning politics, swimming, and ponies.
Not
> > >in
> > > > that order.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: Joseph Pizzimenti <pizzoman at yahoo.com>
> > > > >To: Paul Friedenberg <paulunm at msn.com>,
> > > > >tedebearp at yahoo.com,Keith.Maddock at trw.com, s-car-list at audifans.com
> > > > >Subject: RE: [s-cars] Re: One turbo and 5 cylinders not enough
> > >foryourUr
> > > > >S-Car?
> > > > >Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:33:19 -0700 (PDT)
> > > > >
> > > > >Boys, behave...
> > > > >Remember, opinions are like assholes.
> > > > >Everyone's got one.
> > > > >Joe "we have enough technical arguments on this list,
> > > > >let's leave politics to the fat white men in
> > > > >Washington, shall we? " Pizzo
> > > > >--- Paul Friedenberg <paulunm at msn.com> wrote:
> > > > > > You think Gore would be better? What is this liberal
> > > > > > crap?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Paul "startin shit" Friedenberg
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: Theodore Chen <tedebearp at yahoo.com>
> > > > > > >To: Keith Maddock <Keith.Maddock at trw.com>,
> > > > > > s-car-list at audifans.com
> > > > > > >Subject: RE: [s-cars] Re: One turbo and 5 cylinders
> > > > > > not enough foryourUr
> > > > > > >S-Car?
> > > > > > >Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 10:52:38 -0700 (PDT)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >--- Keith Maddock <Keith.Maddock at trw.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Ahh yes, I have heard of Herr Nader's book about
> > > > > > the late Chevrolet
> > > > > > >Corvair.
> > > > > > > >  I had just never thought of the initials.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  I hope you know I did not vote for him in the
> > > > > > last election when he
> > > > > > >tried to
> > > > > > > > run for President!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >nor i.  we can all thank ralph nader for the fact
> > > > > > that cowboy bush is
> > > > > > >president.  not.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I do know some about American history, which is
> > > > > > easy when it only
> > > > > > >extends
> > > > > > > > back a few hundred years.  For example I know
> > > > > > France was very kind to
> > > > > > >help us
> > > > > > > > out during our revolutionary war against the
> > > > > > Brits. And then in 1884 you
> > > > > > >gave
> > > > > > > > us the beautiful statue of Liberty!  I think we
> > > > > > repaid the favor a
> > > > > > >couple
> > > > > > > > times in the first half of the 20th century!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >yeah, but then they sent us the renault le car.  :)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >-t.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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> Message: 9
> From: "Richard Tanimura" <Richard at Tanimuras.com>
> To: "S-car list" <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 09:02:02 +0200
> Subject: [s-cars] Sway bars
>
> Short intro. I am new to this list. Live in Europe and own a 1991 S2. The
S2
> was never imported to the states. For those who don't know it, it looks
like
> a CQ, has a 20V, 3B 2.2 liter turbo motor and is Quattro.
>
> The suspension needs to be improved. I want to try and deal with
understeer
> by stiffening the rear sway bar.
>
> Question: Does anyone know of after market sway bars for Audi's? Anyone
try
> and like harder bushings on their bars?
>
> Rich
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 10
> Reply-To: "=?iso-8859-1?B?Qmr4cm4g2GRlZ+VyZA==?=" <beernuts at online.no>
> From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?Qmr4cm4g2GRlZ+VyZA==?=" <beernuts at online.no>
> To: <CaptMagu at aol.com>, <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] Living at altitude
> Date:  Thu, 3 Oct 2002 09:19:11 +0200
>
> Hehe! That _almost_ makes me long for the snow season, Almost..
> Just have to get some jobs done before the cold weather kicks in for
> real! (I.e. Brakes, T-belt, halfshaft boots.. Just some small items..
> ;o))
>
> Btw, How does the Apexi' cope with the various safety measures of the
> Audi ECU? Disabled?
>
> Bjorn  :o)
> '92 S4 (With sunroof half open and ass-warmer engaged in 10 deg. C. The
> Gulfstream is really a great invension!)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <CaptMagu at aol.com>
> To: <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 6:12 AM
> Subject: [s-cars] Living at altitude
>
>
> > s-heads,
> >
> > Just thought I'd share with the group what I awoke to this fine high
> altitude
> > Evergreen(I do live 8000 ft above sea level) morning. SNOW! Yes
> Martha, there
> > was 3" of snow on the ground this morning. Do you have any idea what
> that
> > means? Invincibility! As I pulled on to the Interstate 70 this morning
> in
> > search of torque my outside air temp read 32 degrees F. The Happersize
> turbo
> > was on line. My Apexi boost controller is set to 22 lbs for every day
> driving
> > but no Martha, this was not everyday. Down I reached into the ashtray
> area
> > where the Apexi lurks. A couple of button pushes later(did I mention
> how hard
> > that sucker is to program; thanks Pete Tsai) and we're in high boost
> mode at
> > 26 lbs. Off we go! Pure unadulterated torque. Gobs of torque. There is
> > something in knowing that the car you are driving is just about
> invincible.
> > What great cars these are! I was watching the responces to the guys
> request
> > for info on the 200 vs urS. In my mind the only choice from the
> upgradability
> > standpoint is the urS period, end of discussion. So its time to turn
> in but I
> > just thought that some of you would like to know.
> >
> > Hap, dreaming away in Evergreen, Maguire
> > _______________________________________________
> > S-CAR-List mailing list
> > S-CAR-List at audifans.com
> > http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/s-car-list
> >
> >
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 02:59:30 -0600
> From: Paul Park <Paul.Park at Colorado.EDU>
> To: S-CAR-List at audifans.com
> Subject: [s-cars] S4 bumper same as S6 bumper? Retrofit S6 wheel to S4?
>
> I was just wondering if the bumpers that came on the S6 would fit the
> S4? I'm also wondering about just sanding the front and rear bumpers
> down filling in the gaps some how, and just painting over that. I need
> new moldings as they are beginning to rust, but have not decided to
> purchase them yet. Has anyone ever just deleted the side moldings and
> pulled out the indentation and filled in the screw holes?
>
> As for the S6 wheel, I'm doubting that the wheel in the S6 is just a
> straight bolt on affair into the S4. What about an aftermarket wheel?
> How difficult would that be to install?
>
> Just dreaming...I'm wondering why my car is pulling up no fault codes,
> yet isn't pulling hard in any gear. I should get that fixed first.
> Sigh, what did I get my poor young self into:D
>
> Paul
> -wishfully thinking in Colorado
>
>
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> Message: 12
> From: "Miikka Salonen" <miikka.salonen at welho.com>
> To: <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> Subject: FW: [s-cars] Re: New S4 Avant shown
> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 14:32:12 +0300
>
> Ups...this went to William by accident :o)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Miikka Salonen [mailto:miikka.salonen at welho.com]
> Sent: 3. lokakuuta 2002 14:29
> To: William Noland
> Subject: RE: [s-cars] Re: New S4 Avant shown
>
>
> >on
> > figures are WAY conservative. BTW, what the hell do we call this thing?
> >The neu, neu S4?  Neu-squared S4?     :-)
>
> NeuV8S4 :o)
>
> -Miikka-
>
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