[s-cars] Avant Spring Question
jimk at spotgraphicsinc.com
jimk at spotgraphicsinc.com
Mon Oct 21 14:29:02 EDT 2002
Aaron,
I can't guarantee it but I (and Jim B.) did notice that my Avant with 55k miles
on it seems a lot stiffer and more stable than my old S4 did with 67k miles
(when I got it). Obviously there are a couple of years between impressions, but
I believe I am feeling exactly what you are. At this point I am not rushing to
change the suspension on the Avant which wasn't the case with the S4. FWIW,
both cars seemed to have lived fairly easy and pampered lives before I got ahold
of them. Uh, yeah, the S4 has always been pampered even after it became mine,
did I mention it's for sale :-). The Avant gets lovingly caressed with a soft
new diaper every evening....
Jim K. (now have had 2 neighbors asking me if I am a car dealer...)
5 cars, 2 people, one of them a wife with less and less tolerance....
Message: 9
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 09:41:30 -0600
From: Aaron <aaront at cox-internet.com>
To: Audi - Scars <s-car-list at audifans.com>
Subject: [s-cars] Avant Spring Question
Hey all you avant owners.
Im curious if my car has stock springs or not. All records indicate it
is stock. The beauty seems pretty damn stiff but there are no others
around to compare to.
If I press down with all my weight (200 lb) on the front I can barely
get it to drop. 1/2" max.
Its also rather harsh on any less than perfect road surface.
How stiff is stiff?
Thanks
Aaron
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> 4. Audi Transmission Shop in Portland (Keith Maddock)
> 5. Lake Superior Rally Report (QSHIPQ at aol.com)
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> 7. Re: Samco Clamps, found a resource... (chris chambers)
> 8. RE: Re: [S-Car]Ain't no small intercooler here (mlp qwest)
> 9. Avant Spring Question (Aaron)
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> Message: 1
> From: Paul Heneghan <paul.heneghan at bbc.co.uk>
> To: "'s-car-list at audifans.com'" <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> Subject: RE: [s-cars] Low boost on 1995 S6 (insert swearword of your choic
> e)
> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:39:17 +0100
>
> My boiler broke down over the weekend, so I fixed that instead of playing
> with the car!
>
> However, just before the boiler broke, I took the dash apart and spent quite
> some time looking for the loom containing the wiring for the Engine Check
> Light - it's definately not there. This was confirmed by Phil Payne, who
> emailed me this morning to say that UK s-cars don't have the wiring for this
> prefitted to the IC. He recommended taking a feed for a 12V LED from the
> fuse/relay box. I'll give that a go and report back.
>
> It appears as if the Californians have the wiring and the bulb fitted. The
> rest of the Americans/Canadians have the wiring, but no bulb. The Europeans
> have the wiring (not fastened to the IC though - just lying loose behind the
> IC) but no bulb. And, in the good old UK we have ... sod all. Typical!
>
> I did see a momentary 2.0 on the boost gauge though. I can't get it above
> about 1.7 in 2nd, and if I try testing it in 3rd or 4th, I keep running out
> of road and reaching ridiculous speeds.
>
> I squeezed lots of hoses - they all appeared in good condition, but
> obviously my squeeze test wouldn't divulge a minor split.
>
> Phil Payne, the great quattro turbo guru advised me that 'Air mass sensor
> potentiometer and inlet air temperature sensor cover 98% of S2 problems.'
> I'm tempted to replace those (and maybe the O2 sensor as well) if they're
> affordable.
>
> When I opened the throttle, I heard one click when it opened. I was
> expecting another click later on indicating WOT, but I didn't hear any. Any
> thoughts anyone? When my Bentley arrives, I'll be able to test it with my
> multimeter, but that's a few weeks away yet.
>
> Final question: how many UK s-car listers are there? I know there's me and
> Jonathan Khang, but are there any other lurkers? There's no shortage of
> s-cars over here. On any given day, there have got to be about 10 each S2s,
> urS4s and urS6s for sale on www.autotrader.co.uk, so there must be a few
> hundred (at least) changing hands every year.
>
> Paul
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> From: "michael schneider" <mschneiderco at sprintmail.com>
> To: "Frank Amoroso" <fjamoroso at webtv.net>, <lee at wheelman.com>
> Cc: "Calvin & Diana Craig" <calvinlc at earthlink.net>,
> "S4 list" <S-CAR-List at audifans.com>
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] Rear Brakes
> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 08:41:48 -0600
>
> Frank,
> Many thanks for the caliper expansion tool loan.
>
> "The Right Tool" is the only way to work on a car; process, process.
> I'll return the tool this week over lunch or could ship it to someone in
> short order.
>
> MS
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Frank Amoroso" <fjamoroso at webtv.net>
> To: <lee at wheelman.com>
> Cc: "Calvin & Diana Craig" <calvinlc at earthlink.net>; "S4 list"
> <S-CAR-List at audifans.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 9:37 PM
> Subject: RE: [s-cars] Rear Brakes
>
> > Calvin,
> >
> > if you want to borrow the tool for the rear calipers, I have one.
> >
> > You'll need to get in line behind Mike Schneider, and Chad Clark though.
> >
> > Frank at s-cars.org
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> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 09:59:44 -0500
> From: wmahoney at disk.com (Bill Mahoney)
> To: s-car-list at audifans.com
> Subject: [s-cars] Monday AM Update
>
> Prior to Cubscout overnite (freezer camping) saturday, I rotated the
> tires with my handy dandy super ultra el cheapO Harbor Freight impact
> wrench. I got it couple weeks ago for $49 , now is $59 w/case but I
> think it still mismarked as "sans" case its $79. Metric sockets were 20
> bucks. they sell a set of torques sticks too IIRC for $99. Havent got
> them yet though.
> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=45252Anyway
> delugged the wheels post haste:)
> They also have this 4 in 1 inverter, compressor, battery charger and dc
> power source for $79. This sounds too good to be true?
> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=47799
>
> WRT Harmonic suspension resonances; I have been dancing around this
> issue in various degrees almost since the eibach bilstein install. Its
> weird. Since rotating tires has definitely transferred the issue to the
> rear, I believe its mostly tire wear and alignment related. So, next
> step is to have tires rebalanced & tell em to do it right. Then maybe
> even go to the stealer "gasp" for alignment?
>
> WRT to CD changers, I promise to get off my butt and finish the worlds
> longest iPod install by this weekend so no one needlessly invests in cd
> changer. Would love to see the urS leapfrog all 2003 vehicles in music
> selection. Does any model even offer this as an option yet? Its been
> sitting on my bench test area for too long.
>
> WRT RS6 What if a couple years from now you could ebay an S8 for $40k?
> Would a few RS6 parts create the uber 450hp landboat at a similar weight
> to the rs6? Then rebadge to A8 of course:)
>
> Finally WRT the PK samco install; it takes a big man to step up and
> admit his own special way of becoming acquainted with local law
> enforcement agencies. 10pm installs are a sure sign of too little time
> on your hands:) BTDT
>
> Cheers'
> Bill M
> 95 1/2 Avant -soon w/iPod harmonics
> 75 Carrera - thinking of sheading weight and adding hp
>
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> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 17:02:19 +0200
> From: "Keith Maddock" <Keith.Maddock at trw.com>
> To: <S-CAR-List at audifans.com>
> Subject: [s-cars] Audi Transmission Shop in Portland
>
> Can anyone recommend a good Audi Transmission shop in the vicinity of Portl=
> and, Oregon? Perhaps one that has experience in installing 6-speeds? :)
>
> I scored a "wide/hard first" CGR today with 40k miles on it. I'm consideri=
> ng just installing it as is (swapping the tail off my whiney 5-speed), so w=
> ould like to find a shop with some BTDT if possible
>
> Dad, looks like the car is getting a Christmas present! (or 2 or 3... snagg=
> ed some Euro headlamps last week!)
>
> Keith
> 93 S4 soon-to-be-6-speed (OR)
> 95 968CS already-a-6-speed (here)
>
> ****************************************************************
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> From: QSHIPQ at aol.com
> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 11:05:55 EDT
> To: urq at audifans.com, quattro at audifans.com, s-car-list at audifans.com,
> v8 at audifans.com, 200q20v at audifans.com, audi20v at rennlist.org
> Subject: [s-cars] Lake Superior Rally Report
>
> A cold weekend with blizzards, deer, broken mitsus and familiar names....
> The UP of Michigan let loose some great action at this year's Lake Superior
> Prorally. The highlights (official report at lsprorally.com/news.htm):
>
> * R. Lagemann from the quattro list deserves a big congrats on his first
> season in open class with a 2nd place finish. Beating Choinere is far from
> an easy task. Even if RL was driving a scoobie do. Not enough to take the
> manufacturers championship from Buffum and his hyundai's, the action was
> pretty intense from Subaru's perspective (including a balled and rolled
> factory car during testing earlier in the week).
>
> * LT1Q and lister (codriver) Bob Dupree moved up 12 spots to finish with
> Driver John Rek in the 95 S2 quattro. Although rain/sleet and snowstorms
> dominated the weather, we still managed to run the slicks for the tarmac
> stage on Saturday. Only quattro to finish (3 entered IMS)
>
> * Urq lister Dave Ritter was seen driving something other than his urq....
>
> * Percentages: 7 of 10 Mitsu Evo's entered DNF'd. Rough rally.
>
> * PII: 6 Impreza's in the top 10 spots. Getting better
>
> * PIII: 83 cars entered, 34 finished. .425 ERA
>
> Other interesting observations: Old vs new.... Reese Millen (dnf) and the
> mitsu boys (full race truck with tents and 7 crew) were giving the audisport
> engineering a thorough inspection during our Copper Harbor Service. They
> were incredulous at things like the electro/hydraulic clutch, quick release
> trans arrangement, exhaust (tapered full length, no mufflers) and general
> serviceability audi designs into their rally cars. Proud to show off the
> toys. The S2 ran flawlessly, and other than the aluminum bushings causing
> loose steering/suspension components, it was fuel and tires only this
> weekend. Given the weather, a great thanks to the audi gods.....
>
> Scott Justusson
> Crew Chief
> Car 559 1995 Audi S2 FIA group A import
>
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> From: Daniel Hussey <dhussey at accessor.com>
> To: "'s-car-list at audifans.com'" <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 08:14:04 -0700
> Subject: [s-cars] Spring options
>
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> So, I have a set of H&R lowering springs in my garage, and am thinking about
> NOT using them. Here's the deal. On the sedans, I think the stock springs
> are too high and make the car look goofy. On the wagons though, I think
> they look "just right" at stock height. Am I just looney?
>
> So, I really do want stiffer springs, but don't want to lower my car (or at
> least not much). I know for a fact there are tons of spring options for
> these cars (factory springs) out of europe... I've seen them in EKTA. Can
> anyone shed some light as to what all of them are and what weights they
> are????
>
> Any ideas??? Or, should I put down my crack pipe and just go with H&R's?
> What weighting are the stock springs on my '95 S6 wagon anyways? Would some
> re-valved Bilstiens and stock springs do the trick?
>
> Later,
> Dan Hussey
> '95 S6 Avant (Europa/ecru)
> Seattle, WA
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 08:12:19 -0700 (PDT)
> From: chris chambers <fastscirocco_2000 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] Samco Clamps, found a resource...
> To: rfeagleye at thornhillcpa.com,
> S-Cars List Post <s-car-list at audifans.com>
>
> Rob,
>
> interested in a set of clamps for my hoses...please keep me informed.
>
> PS 5...don't we need more than 5 clamps for one set of hoses?
>
> Chris
>
> --- "Robert F. Eagleye" <rfeagleye at thornhillcpa.com> wrote:
> > New Samco owners...
> >
> > I may have found a source local to me with t-bolt clamps we can get
> > for our
> > Samco hoses. Clampco in Wadsworth Ohio will sell t-bolt clamps (they
> > are
> > very nice, I am looking at two in my office now..) to me over the
> > counter
> > for $5 each if I get 25 total clamps (so I guess a 5 full clamp sets
> > would
> > get me there). I could do kind of a GP thing, and go get the clamps
> > and mail
> > them to you. They are RIGHT down the road from my work.
> >
> > If anyone is interested in getting a set of clamps let me know. I am
> > going
> > to look now for the clamp sizes that were posted here, but I am
> > probably
> > going to take my set of Samcos to them and get exactly the correct
> > fit if
> > this works out.
> >
> > Rob Eagleye
> > 1992 S4
> >
> >
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> 86 VW Scirocco Wolfsburg (waiting for a restore or good home)
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 09:20:40 -0600
> From: "mlp qwest" <mlped at qwest.net>
> To: "Jimmy Pribble" <Jimmy at texasbankers.com>, s-car-list at audifans.com
> Subject: RE: [s-cars] Re: [S-Car]Ain't no small intercooler here
>
> Jimmy - You might want to see if you can beg, borrow, steal or, failing
> that, actually buy a copy of Corky Bell's recently released book
> "Supercharging"
>
> He's redone & greatly expanded on the chapter on intercooling originally in
> Maximum Boost. BTW, on another food for thought matter, if you carefully
> examine some of the B&P IC designs vs. say the extruded tube construction,
> you may see that the B&P's have significantly more flat vertical faces.
> It's been suggested, especially on the intake side, the addition of a rolled
> face, or "teepee" might improve air flow, i.e.
> the face would look like:
>
> OR /
> ] ]
> ) >
> ] ] <- Charge Air flow direction
> ) >
> ] ]
> \
>
> This may be a reflection of Peter Berrovoet's suggestions, but I think the
> place it makes most sense, at least from the IC cores I have looked at, is
> internally at the charge air collection channels. That would be inside the
> end tanks. No personal "BT" or "DT" experience with this however; and other
> than seat of the pants opinions I would guess that it might be rather hard
> to accurately document the advantages, if any to the thought. If there is
> one place the UrS4 IC's do look like they would constrict flow, its at the
> internal collection points to each of the 30 individual tubes (15 rows x 2
> tubes in each) that go into the make up of the cores. A photo in this case
> would be worth a lot of words. Last, Antti Lehtonen posted on a related
> list a new link to Eric Fahlgrens site & little java (?) applets ~ e.g.
>
> > http://not2fast.gotdns.com/turbo/velocity.html
>
> I think I had an old link at the Univ of Michigan or something like that to
> Eric's very (IMO) at least interesting, if not worth while "stuff" You know
> that 650 cfm being pumped through @ a 1.65" inside diameter tube, the
> approximate size of a K24's cold side exit, requires the air at that point
> to be moving at close to 729 ft/sec or almost 500 mph?
>
> mlp
>
> ~
> ~FWIW, I think the air flow guys favor a
> ~ \ <-
> ~ | <-
> ~ IC | <-
> ~ | <-
> ~ / <-
> ~
> ~Mikee,
> ~
> ~Re: your drawing above, here is what the MC guys think about that (or at
> ~least they used to):
> ~http://www.oochietoe.demon.nl/motor/pic/racer3.jpg
> ~
> ~Secondly, what is the current thinking on two intercoolers in series? For
> ~the track car, I'm using the RS2 intercooler in the usual place under the
> ~bumper. Then the air flows up and back across the front of the car before
> ~going into the intake. Since I am using a stock CQ (non-piped)
> ~crossover, I
> ~am having to make a pipe that runs back across the front of the
> ~car, like in
> ~this photo:
> ~http://www.irry.com/mange/p1010147.jpg
> ~
> ~Hmmm, I thought. I spy a potentially wasted opportunity. So, we are
> ~planning on using a 5000t intercooler with custom end tanks to be
> ~used where
> ~that crossover pipe is. Anybody see anything wrong with that idea? Yeah,
> ~yeah, I know about the Scientific Method. I'll build it, take
> ~measurements,
> ~and then we will know, but I was just wondering if I am
> ~overlooking anything
> ~fundamentally bad about the idea.
> ~
> ~BTW, I'm digging the recent rash of tech talk on the list. Thanks,
> ~
> ~Jimmy P.
> ~_______________________________________________
> ~
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 09:41:30 -0600
> From: Aaron <aaront at cox-internet.com>
> To: Audi - Scars <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> Subject: [s-cars] Avant Spring Question
>
> Hey all you avant owners.
> Im curious if my car has stock springs or not. All records indicate it
> is stock. The beauty seems pretty damn stiff but there are no others
> around to compare to.
> If I press down with all my weight (200 lb) on the front I can barely
> get it to drop. 1/2" max.
> Its also rather harsh on any less than perfect road surface.
> How stiff is stiff?
>
> Thanks
> Aaron
>
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> Message: 10
> From: QSHIPQ at aol.com
> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 11:41:05 EDT
> To: urq at audifans.com, quattro at audifans.com, s-car-list at audifans.com,
> v8 at audifans.com, 200q20v at audifans.com, audi20v at rennlist.org
> Subject: [s-cars] More on audi wheel bolts/studs/torque
>
> After my Gingermann incident 2 weekends ago (wheel off), and subsequent list
> 'engineering' chatter, my second performance operations opportunity came this
> past weekend at LSPR with the S2 Rally car. The car is an audisport 95 S2
> with sport q brakes and stud conversion. We ran 2 different sets of wheels
> tires (compomotive no spacers and ABT mit spacers). Obviously wheel torque
> was still fresh on my mind.
>
> Studs in terms of torque? Didn't appear to do a damn thing boys, spacers or
> no.... The wheel nuts were still loose after only 2 stages of running, and
> rechecks of wheel torques during the rally indicated that the fresh wheel
> change does affect wheel bolt torque, and after a couple of rechecks (without
> wheel change) the torque remained constant. This experience supports BB and
> my contention that frequent retorques in a performance environment should be
> the riguer, and any other "fix" is complicated by definition.
>
> ALL top teams (including mitsu and scoobies) were retorquing wheels at EVERY
> service stop, wheel change or not. Bretts comments on "hot wheel" torque
> might be worth pursuing... But IME, you don't have time to cool the wheels
> in most performance arenas (you couldn't hold the hot wheel nuts during swaps
> in my case). I've personally never heard of a "revised" hot wheel bolt/nut
> torque in practice.
>
> Studs on our car are due to be replaced. FYI, I doubt ANY shop would (they
> shouldn't anyway) reuse a pressed out wheel bearing. The risk of doing the
> job twice isn't worth the effort. We also experienced slag deposits on the
> studs from removing and installing hot wheels. The easy thing to do is to
> replace wheel bolts at a routine interval, make sure hub threads are clean (a
> battery brush works well here) and allow no radial play of bolts
>
> WRT jamb nuts on studs.... I'd never do it, and few fastener manufacturers
> would recommend it. Get the 10.9 grade bolts/nuts and recheck torque often,
> or even more....
>
> As an aside, I've gotten several humorous stories of those who lost a wheel
> sometime in their lifetime (I'm in more company than I thought). Common
> denominator? All members of this club, are now pretty fanatical about wheel
> fastener torque. And the average "loss" count in this club is *exactly* 1.
> Hmmm. Sure hope all this saves someone else from this ascribed membership.
>
> Studs aren't "overkill", nor a fix. Get a torque wrench, and overkill the
> use of it.
>
> HTH
>
> Scott Justusson., M.A.C.
> Membership Avoidance Counselor
> 3 wheeler club
>
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