Hey Paul- You need to put someone in concrete shoes? I hate getting scratches on my car, I know exactly how you feel. :-( As long as I can get "made." Taka --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/02