[s-cars] HUGE Brakes

[Linus Toy]

Rotor fade w/ the ECS 314 mm kit, if your fluid is fresh and pads are properly
bedded, is likely the result of the kit using an Audi OEM rotor--they are
thick, heavy, great for sinking the heat of the first stop, but poorly vented
(to reject the heat) for the subsequent stops.  Your best way around this is to
move to a 2-piece rotor & hat assembly, ideally one using a Porsche 993tt rotor
(though this moves you up to 322 mm rotor).  But if you're getting this on the
street, may I suggest you save it for the track and try another driving style
on the street?

FWIW, you can easily beat the price of the ECS 322 kit by using the Audi A8L
(323 x 30) rotor and the same 993tt (non-monobloc) caliper over RS2 brackets.
Unfortunately, this is still an Audi OEM rotor, with the same issues noted
above.  But $1100 vs. $1850 and judicious use of the brakes = lotsa smiles to
the bank.

BTW, what's with ECS's site on the 314 kit?  It says in the text, Monobloc
caliper and shows a pic of the Monobloc, but in the details of the kit, it
mentions the 993tt caliper.

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Linus Toy               Insanity is doing the same thing
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: s-car-list-admin at audifans.com
> [mailto:s-car-list-admin at audifans.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Mendel
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 8:48 PM
> To: Bob DG; t44tq at mindspring.com; s-car-list at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] HUGE Brakes
>
>
> Don't take this the wrong way, but there is no way that the
> size of the rotors you have is causing that fade on the
> street. I'd check pads, lines, and fluid first.
>
> Bruce
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob DG" <bobs6 at msn.com>
> To: <brucem105 at comcast.net>; <t44tq at mindspring.com>;
> <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 10:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] HUGE Brakes
>
>
> > Actually, on the street I DO get fade. I do drive my car a
> little too
> > hard on the street for most people. I'm sure for track use I would
> > REALLY want bigger brakes. How much is the Brembo 355 kit?
> Seems hard
> > to beat the ECS 323 kit price, not sure it would be that
> much better
> > than what I have now though...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: Bruce Mendel <brucem105 at comcast.net>
> > >Reply-To: Bruce Mendel <brucem105 at comcast.net>
> > >To: TM <t44tq at mindspring.com>, 'Bob DG' <bobs6 at msn.com>,
> > >s-car-list at audifans.com
> > >Subject: Re: [s-cars] HUGE Brakes
> > >Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 20:36:53 -0400
> > >
> > >I agree. Other than feel, you've got enough stopping power
> to lock up
> > >the front tires easily. Beyond that, the only thing you
> get by going
> > >to
> bigger
> > >brakes is how MANY times in a row you can lock them up
> without fade.
> > >
> > >So on the street, it's extremely unlikely you'll get fade. On the
> > >track, they should be sufficient too, but if you get fade,
> fluid and
> > >pad composition and cooling are most likely culprits.
> > >
> > >Of course, bigger brakes LOOK cooler, so hard to argue with that
> > >logic.
> :)
> > >
> > >Bruce
> > >2001 S4, stock wimpy brakes with Formula-1 quality lines and fluid
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "TM" <t44tq at mindspring.com>
> > >To: "'Bob DG'" <bobs6 at msn.com>; <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> > >Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 8:07 PM
> > >Subject: RE: [s-cars] HUGE Brakes
> > >
> > >
> > > > Bob-
> > > > Brembo has a 355mm kit available, it works very well from a
> passenger's
> > > > standpoint.
> > > >
> > > > Have you thought of doing the following before going to larger
> > > > brakes:
> > > >
> > > > Better rotors- 2-piece directionally vaned rotors
> > > > Brake ducting- cools the brakes significantly better
> Better fluid
> > > > and pads
> > > >
> > > > For street use, there really is no need to go to a 355 or 380mm
> > > > rotor.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Taka
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Bob DG [mailto:bobs6 at msn.com]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 5:07 PM
> > > > To: s-car-list at audifans.com
> > > > Subject: [s-cars] HUGE Brakes
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > After the latest round of mods to my S6, I think my Big Blacks
> > > > (314mm) are no longer going to cut it. I like the idea
> of the ECS
> > > > 323mm
> brakes,
> > > > but I'd like to go even bigger. Anyone know anything
> about bigger
> brake
> > > > kits, such as what Perry E was using? F40 brakes was it?
> > > >
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