[s-cars] Porsche Big Reds or Big Blacks

[Kevin Campbell]

Thanks.  All of that makes sense.  The next time I get down to the shop
I'm going to throw my brake trivia around like Cliff Claven.

Thanks again,
Kevin

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Mendel [mailto:Brucem105 at comcast.net] 
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 9:55 AM
To: Kevin Campbell; s-car-list at audifans.com
Subject: Re: [s-cars] Porsche Big Reds or Big Blacks


Here's the reason:

Once you have enough clamping force with a brake caliper to stop the
rotor from turning (i.e. lock up the brakes), you have enough braking
force. The s-car's brakes will do that with OEM equipment. So in the
scenario, a brake upgrade is not necessary.

But that creates two more questions:

1. How many times can you reach lockup or the onset of lockup before the
rotors warp, pads break-down, fluid boils, etc? The OEM brakes can haul
the car down from 80-20 nicely the first time, but try that three times
in a row. Or on a hill, etc, etc. So what you get by going to more
powerful calipers, lines, fluid, and rotors is the ability to stop the
car repeatedly with no fade. So when you take the car out on the track,
you have the confidence to go lap after lap without fear of going off
the road due to faded brakes. Maybe overkill for the street, but that
leads to #2, which is not overkill.

2. How easy or difficult is it to reach that point of lockup? Is it a
nice pedal feel, so you can reach that point and hold it? Do you get
there too quickly because you have no "feel" from the pedal? Does the
pedal feel grabby, spongy, or worse, like Pizzo's prom date? Those are
things the big brake kit, with better fluid, ss lines, etc. can help. It
does make a dramatic difference in feel.

Hope that helps.

Bruce
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Campbell" <kevin.campbell at autodesk.com>
To: <s-car-list at audifans.com>
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 12:37 PM
Subject: [s-cars] Porsche Big Reds or Big Blacks


Not trying to start a fire here.  Just trying to find input.

So, my father runs a German Auto shop in Menlo Park, CA.  He specializes
un Audi's, Porsche, and VW for the most part.  Ask asked hom about the
Prosche calipers and how his customers felt about the performance
increase from the stockers.

These are his words and not mine "All of my S customers who have upgrade
to Porshe calipers and rotors claim the see no significant imporvement
in their braking performance.  His frame of refernce is only about 5
customers who have done this.

So if we assume these folks are telling the truth (they have no reason
not to as it could be seen as needless waste of $$$), then why would
someone make this mod?  For looks?

-----Original Message-----
From: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com
[mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com] On Behalf Of Cody Payne
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 9:03 AM
To: s-car-list at audifans.com
Subject: [s-cars] Dead Battery this AM....


Well it has been a fun last 15 hours.  In that time I have had my Home
PC's motherboard and CPU fry...stayed up past 2 AM rebuilding her and
OS....now this AM when I come to start up the car...battery is DEAD. I
jump the car and she stalls again..no start.  Jump her once more and let
the battery charge for 30 min...turn off car starts right up.  Not sure
what drained the battery though..my only thought is I know the Cell
Phone in the car (Audi's Internal Cell) has been sort of acting
up...turning it self on. (As I leave it off all the time and don't use
it)  So I have unplugged that in hoping to diagnose.  Only other
thoughts are the Audi/Bose Stereo AMP or CD Changer..but I have never
had a problem with either. The only plus is that after I dropped the car
over at ASW for them to take a peek..I got a nice ride in their Sportec
Tuned RS6 to work....holy cow does that car have a flat torque curve!
Man...just like being in a rocket with the constant push you in your
seat feel....maybe 10 years from now I will pick one up ;-)

cp

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