[s-cars] ECS Big Reds, Mintex reds, and horrendous brake sque al

[Robert Pastore]

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BTW, compound/brand selection may be less relevant than it used to be,
since all the major performance brands are now part of TMD friction.
 http://www.tmdfriction.co.uk/index.jsp?lid=1

Could it be the same compound is used in say Pagid/mintex/textar now?
You can decide for yourself.

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: Jouko Haapanen [mailto:joukoh at sympatico.ca]
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 1:53 PM
To: S-Car-List
Subject: RE: [s-cars] ECS Big Reds, Mintex reds, and horrendous brake
squeal


FWIW, I've been running the C-Tech 1144 pads on my AP Racing
calipers/330mm
rotors on my GTI 1.8T for some time now.  The pads are outstanding
street/track pads, although the dust levels would probably upset some
people - my OZ's are anthracite so it does not bug me.  My pads do
squeal a
fair bit when cold, just before the car comes to a stop, but in some
distorted way I like it.  The pads that fit my calipers are the standard
Jaguar XJ220 pads, and AFAIK my GTI is even in its' present state less
powerful and lighter, so I've got all the brake (and more) than I'd ever
want.  My main reason for going with the C-Techs was the occasional
track
use, and not wanting to melt/glaze pads every time I go out.  Now I've
got a
pad that works off and on the track.

I wanted to try some Pagid RS2-4 pads in my calipers, as I've had
nothing
but positive experiences with those in my UrQ (Audi content), but
acquiring
race Pagids is difficult at best around here.

Jouko


Jouko Haapanen
President
Georgetown Volkswagen
www.georgetownvw.com
tel 905-877-5285
fax 905-873-1914

-----Original Message-----
From: s-car-list-admin at audifans.com
[mailto:s-car-list-admin at audifans.com]On Behalf Of
jimk at spotgraphicsinc.com
Sent: January 3, 2003 13:06
To: S4audinut at aol.com
Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com; CLAG500 at aol.com
Subject: Re: [s-cars] ECS Big Reds, Mintex reds, and horrendous brake
squeal


Guys,
Keep in mind that there are different versions of "C-Tech"
There are three compounds, when I ordered my big brake kit, Tom screwed
up and sent me the Mintex RedBox pads in error, then was out of stock on
the C-Techs.  He told me to get them elsewhere and said there is only
one kind for the 993TT caliper.  I checked with a Porsche parts supplier
(Zim's) and they said yes, the C-Tech only comes one way for the 993TT
caliper and they sent me a set.  Lo and behold, once Tom got his
backorder situation figured out, he sent me a set too and it was
DIFFERENT.  Both sets were labeled C-Tech in factory boxes with factory
labels, except Zim's sent me the 1144 compount (aggressive street, and
light track (as in Q-club events etc.), Tom at ECS's pads were the 1155
compound, which is for heavy track and light competition use.  These
pads have a LOT of metal particles in them and look to be pretty harsh
on the rotor.  I currently have the 1144's installed and am VERY happy.
Low noise, some dust, stops great on steet and track (for me, YMMV).
There IS also an 1166 compound available, which is for racing
applications only.  In any case, I wanted to pass on my experience and
would venture that for most of you guys that aren't happy with the
Mintex RedBox, the C-Tech 1144 would be great, but the 1155 would be
overkill.  If you think I am full of it, then you probably know enough
about pads and your own driving needs to know you need the 1155 pads
:-)    In my case, I have the 1144's on the car and keep the 1155's in
the toolbox at the track just in case.

Check out this website for more info on the C-Tech compounds:
http://www.autotech.com/ctech.htm

Jim "C-Tech" Klein
95.5 S6Avant mit stockers
93 S4 mit C-Tech's
90 CQ with only God knows what

Message: 5
From: S4audinut at aol.com
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 00:01:54 EST
Subject: Re: [s-cars] ECS Big Reds, Mintex reds, and horrendous brake
squeal
To: CLAG500 at aol.com, randerson22 at sprynet.com, s-car-list at audifans.com

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In a message dated 01/02/2003 8:21:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, CLAG500
writes:

> Everyone I know who has the Mintex Reds complains of squealing. They
are
> loud even with the dampers installed.
>
>  Rod, Are you using Mintex competitions? Do you think they would be
good
> for a daily driver? The reds definitely leave some goo on the rotors.
I
> always used semi-metalic pads before. No dust no sqeal. What kind of
pad
> will make her not squeal? :-)
>
> Chad Tobin
>
>

No, I am getting ready but not quite using  the C-TECH  pads Tom at ECS
recommends, and at this point it is solely on his recommendation, 4 days
to
install and counting. He says it cures all the problems with the reds
and all
his customers seem to really like these- the mention of the pads was not
a
bessing for one brand over any other, just a blast on the soft red-boxes
and
the need to get pads that dont melt when you slow down from 140( excuse
me if
I have misquoted you Tom, but that was my recollection).
Rod

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