[s-cars] Re: Galled First Gears??? Magnet
tr0910 at softhome.net
tr0910 at softhome.net
Fri Jul 25 14:09:10 EDT 2003
Source for a magnetic plug anyone? I would like to know the specs for the
plug on the tranny (size, thread etc). I would rather not pull the plug
until I have a replacement in hand.
todd at owensport.com writes:
> I would try to find an OEM magnetic plug as Murphy's law say's the epoxied
> one would fall off inside.
>
> Todd
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: tr0910 at softhome.net
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 08:10:17 -0600
> To: todd at owensport.com, s-car-list at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: Galled First Gears??? Magnet
>
>
> So it sounds like I need to install a magnet that I can access. Should I
> look for a magnetic plug or try and epoxy a magnet to the existing tranny
> drain plug??
>
> todd at owensport.com writes:
>
>> Negative, they are buried inside.
>>
>> Original Message:
>> -----------------
>> From: tr0910 at softhome.net
>> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 13:22:13 -0600
>> To: todd at owensport.com, s-car-list at audifans.com
>> Subject: Re: Galled First Gears??? Magnet
>>
>>
>> When I drain the tranny, will I be able to remove and clean those magnets?
>> I am interested in being able to monitor further metal pieces coming loose
>> after I clean things up....
>>
>> todd at owensport.com writes:
>>
>>> There are two or more fairly large magnets inside the trans already.
>>>
>>> todd
>>>
>>> Original Message:
>>> -----------------
>>> From: Tim Radbourne tr0910 at softhome.net
>>> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 07:40:37 -0400
>>> To: bob.rossato at att.net, charlie at elektro.cmhnet.org,
>> s-car-list at audifans.com
>>> Subject: RE: [s-cars] Galled First Gears???
>>>
>>>
>>> Where might I find a source for a magnetic plug for the tranny? Or
>>> should I build one myself (epoxy magnet to existing plug)
>>>
>>> 93 S4 @ 140K
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: s-car-list-admin at audifans.com
>>> [mailto:s-car-list-admin at audifans.com] On Behalf Of Tim Radbourne
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 9:49 PM
>>> To: bob.rossato at att.net; 'Charlie Smith'
>>> Cc: 'Audi S Car List'; 'Charlie Smith'
>>> Subject: RE: [s-cars] Galled First Gears???
>>>
>>>
>>> Definitely a card in the spokes sound and only in 1rst. Here is the new
>>> plan. Drain the fluid, find a magnetic plug and then check this
>>> regularly. (probably change this fluid each time I change engine oil)
>>>
>>> Should I put GL4 fluid in the tranny? What brand? Do I have to buy it
>>> from Audi?
>>>
>>> Is this an easy (do it yourself) flush job?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: s-car-list-admin at audifans.com
>>> [mailto:s-car-list-admin at audifans.com] On Behalf Of bob.rossato at att.net
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 4:08 PM
>>> To: Charlie Smith
>>> Cc: Tim Radbourne; Audi S Car List; Charlie Smith
>>> Subject: Re: [s-cars] Galled First Gears???
>>>
>>>
>>> There is a third noise which may, or may not be, related to item b)
>>> below, but is completely different sounding. My '95 S6 developed a 1st
>>> gear noise sometime over the winter (only noticed it this spring when I
>>> finally rolled down the windows again) that is sort of a whine/groan.
>>> The closest I can equate it to is the noise from straight cut gears,
>>> such as reverse. It definitely goes away in 2nd, so it's not pinion
>>> bearing related.
>>>
>>> Whether it's another manifestation of a galled first gear, or simply a
>>> first gear synchro bearing gone bad I don't know.
>>>
>>> The only other car I've heard this on is Paul K's S6.... and come to
>>> think of it he did drive mine a couple of times before this happened so
>>> I'm going to blame him. Yup, that's what I'm going to do.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>
>>>> Earlier, Tim Radbourne wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > I have just joined the group. Purchased a 93 S4 with 140K. Has one
>>>
>>>> > problem that I wasn't too worried about when I bought it, but am
>>>> > more worried now. It has a noise/growl when accelerating in first
>>>> > gear. Otherwise the tranny sounds fine. I am wondering if this is
>>>> > the galled first gear problem discussed here?
>>>>
>>>> There are two different problems that have been more than occasional
>>>> with the 01E 5 speed transmissions in the UrS4/S6 cars. These are:
>>>>
>>>> A) '92 and some '93's had pinion gear bearing problems. I've not
>>>> had this happen to an Audi so no 1st hand listening on this.
>>>> It should be a whine that varies with road speed, in othere
>>> words
>>>> it will sound the same at 30 MPH in 1st as it does in 2nd gear.
>>>>
>>>> B) 1st gear becomes galled on one or more teeth on the main shaft.
>>>> There are pictures of a failed 1st gear in the middle of this
>>> page:
>>>> http://www.elektro.com/~audi/01E/ind5.html
>>>>
>>>> This will sound like a kid's bike with playing cards sticking
>>> into
>>>> the spokes. A definite clicking noise that gets faster as you
>>> pick
>>>> up speed in 1st gear. You probably can't hear it in any gear
>>> other
>>>> than 1st, and you will probably only hear it when accelerating.
>>>> To hear this more clearly when it's faint, roll the windows down
>>>> and drive next to a solid wall of a building or something.
>>>> >
>>>> > Can I drive it like this?
>>>> > For how long?
>>>>
>>>> For either problem, you can drive it until it gets so noisy you can't
>>>> stand it. Driving with a failing pinion gear bearing will also ruin
>>>> the front ring and pinion gears, and may mess up the teeth on 4th if
>>>> it's really bad and you drive in 4th a lot. Driving with a galling
>>>> 1st gear will get noisier and noisier when you are driving off in 1st.
>>>
>>>> Eventually the metal particles from either problem will affect other
>>>> bearings in the transmission.
>>>>
>>>> > Is there anything I can do without pulling the tranny? (Should I do
>>>
>>>> > a tranmission oil change and oil analysis?)
>>>>
>>>> You can't do anything with either without taking the transmission
>>>> apart. Changing the oil won't make it better, but clean oil will help
>>>> keep metal particles from going through other parts of the
>>>> transmission.
>>>>
>>>> This is the Audi God's way of telling you it's time for a 6 speed
>>> upgrade
>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>> - Charlie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Charlie Smith charlie at elektro.cmhnet.org 614-471-1418
>>>> http://www.elektro.com/~charlie Columbus Ohio USA
>>>> http://www.elektro.com/~audi photos & technical info
>>>>
>>>> 95 S6 Quattro - 24 PSI, RS2 6 speed, and other features
>>>> 97 Dodge Ram - 40 PSI, 4x4 w/Cummins turbo diesel
>>>>
>
> Tim Radbourne
> 93 S4 @ 140K
>
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