[s-cars] Re: Suspension Upgrade

[Larry C Leung]

I'd agree with Tony, not too much of a drop, with space between the 
tire and top of wheel arch. I've managed many a crowned dirt road
(often visit a friend whom lives on one) with an occasional nick of
a taller boulder or two. I would say the exhaust (stock) looks close
to the ground, but not excessively. And, as I said before, the ride
doesn't seem especially nose heavy, I even autocrossed the car
(what a pig!) and it wasn't too hard to get either end to dance, so it
wasn't especially nose heavy. My 200Q with H+R's/Bilstein actually
is MUCH more prone to understeer than the S6 with Eibach/Bilstein,
and comparatively, the ride sucks (underdamped, so CRASH, BOOM!).

Just my $0.02, YMMV,

LL - NY

On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:09:50 -0500 <tony.curran at sympatico.ca> writes:
> Hi Noah,
> 
> Just wondering if you had the right springs or not. My car dropped 
> all of 20mm. My car still has a bit of a gap between the tire and 
> arch. I don't recall having bottomed out on anything. 
> 
> Tony
> 96 S6
> 
> > 
> > From: "Noah" <noahgodwin at earthlink.net>
> > Date: 2004/12/17 Fri PM 12:34:53 EST
> > To: <s-car-list at audifans.com>,  "Larry C Leung" 
> <l.leung at juno.com>
> > CC: evan.desjardins at gmail.com
> > Subject: Re: [s-cars] Re: Suspension Upgrade
> > 
> > My impressions of Bilstein Sport / Eibach +20mm spacer:
> > 
> > I am sorely tempted to go back to my stock 92 springs and see if 
> the HSRB 
> > will take care of the roll. When I first put the BS/E combo on, 
> sans spacer, 
> > I was very happy with the ride, but the ass sat too low. As in, 
> scraping 
> > EVERYTHING I go over... EVERYTHING. So, I install the 20mm spacer 
> from ECS 
> > and the ride height is spot on, but now I still have two 
> complaints. 1) The 
> > change in the rear height moved some weight to the front of the 
> car, and the 
> > front end feels worse now. I resented the fact that I would need 
> to purchase 
> > a spacer to make the product work in the first place, and now that 
> I have it 
> > installed and the ride suffered, I am even more annoyed. 2) The 
> car is still 
> > way too low. I will scrape on any burly speedbump I try to go 
> over. The 
> > other day I had two passengers on the rear, and I actually scraped 
> going 
> > over a manhole in a recently repaved section of road. A MANHOLE 
> for 
> > chrissake!
> > 
> > My stock springs are going back on. I'd love to sell these Eibach 
> springs to 
> > one of you guys. They have been on for ~6months.
> > 
> > As for H&Rs, I bet they are better. I had the red (race) H&Rs on 
> my 5kcstq 
> > and I loved them. They had a very balanced ride, and for whatever 
> reason 
> > they didn't seem to cause me to scrape going over every little 
> thing. 
> > Another data point, with my red H&Rs I ran the boge turbogas, and 
> they were 
> > a perfect match.... even though one would think they would be too 
> stiff for 
> > the cheap little BTGs to handle.
> > 
> > My advice: Put the stuff on one piece at a time. I skipped putting 
> on just 
> > struts, and I think that's how I screwed up. Now, to find out if I 
> would 
> > prefer it that way, I'll haveto take everything apart again and 
> take a lot 
> > more time that if I had done it that way first.
> > 
> > -Noah
> > YMMV and my car is a '92 so my springs don't totally suck.
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Larry C Leung" <l.leung at juno.com>
> > To: <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> > Cc: <evan.desjardins at gmail.com>
> > Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 9:59 AM
> > Subject: [s-cars] Re: Suspension Upgrade
> > 
> > 
> > > Evan,
> > >
> > > I'm running Eibach/Bilstein (shox.com) WITH rear spacer (make 
> sure
> > > you get those or the back will sag). Overall ride quality is 
> VERY similar
> > > to stock, SLIGHTLY less roll, but best of all, the damping rates 
> of the
> > > Bilsteins matches nearly perfectly with the Eibachs. H+R's are 
> stiffer,
> > > so,
> > > like my 200Q, which is H+R/Bilstein, I'd expect that the off the 
> shelf
> > > Bilsteins would be underdamped with the H+R's. I do believe that 
> you
> > > can get custom shock valving from Bilsteins (it's, as I recall, 
> only
> > > $35/shock),
> > > but I have NO idea what valving you should have if you go the 
> H+R route.
> > > BTW, I ultimately will go HRSB to get rid of the roll and gain a 
> little
> > > turn-in.
> > >
> > > LL - NY
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:24:44 -0500
> > >> From: Evan Desjardins <evan.desjardins at gmail.com>
> > >> Subject: [s-cars] Suspension Upgrade
> > >> To: s-car-list at audifans.com
> > >> Message-ID: <457542d404121608246cd94191 at mail.gmail.com>
> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
> > >>
> > >> S-Fiends,
> > >>
> > >> Well, I think the time has come to take another slide down the
> > >> slippery slope.  My rear passenger quarter is doing a lot of
> > >> "thunka-thunka-clunka-clunka" over bumps so it's time to take 
> the
> > >> plunge and get a sport suspension.
> > >>
> > >> I've been looking at ECS Tuning and they have a package with 
> H&R
> > >> Sport
> > >> Springs & Bilstein Sport Shocks for $769.95.  I also need to
> > >> purchase
> > >> the camber plates to correct the alignment for $239.95.
> > >>
> > >> I guess I have several questions about this upgrade.  Is this 
> all
> > >> that
> > >> I need?  Has anyone had good luck with a setup like this, or 
> would
> > >> you
> > >> recommend something else?  Finally, is this a good price or is 
> it
> > >> possible to put less money into Miss Piggy Bank for these 
> parts?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks for your wisdom and insanity!
> > >>
> > >> Evan
> > >> '95 //S6
> > >>
> > >>
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