[s-cars] Big Reds Question?

[Joseph Pizzimenti]

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--- Richard Tanimura <richard at tanimuras.com> wrote:
> Hehe. I knew this was going to happen.
> 
> Well "little blacks" is dicey because the 944T,
> 944S2 and non-M030 968
> calipers were indeed black but there were/are even
> smaller caliper e.g. the
> SC and Carrera calipers with the venerable 930
> brakes in between. I suppose
> you could call those "even littler blacks".
> 
> I think "little reds", which are the same a "medium
> blacks", is ok because
> they were littler than ...... "big(ger) reds". And
> they were the first
> factory caliper offered in red. Atleast as far as I
> know.
> 
> Chuckling,
> 
> Rich
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com
> [mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com]On Behalf Of
> Keith Maddock
> Sent: den 28 januari 2004 21:02
> To: s-car-list at audifans.com
> Subject: RE: [s-cars] Big Reds Question?
> 
> 
> FWIW
> 
> The calipers for the 304x32 should really be
> considered "Medium Reds" (RS2)
> or "Medium Blacks" (968/944S2 M030, 944 Turbo S,
> 928S4).  They have the
> same piston sizes as the Big Reds, but smaller pads.
> 
> "Little Blacks" would refer to the non-M030 calipers
> for 968 / 944S2 and
> have smaller piston sizes and even smaller pad
> sizes.
> 
> Cheers,
> Keith
> 
> keith at maddock.com    http://keith.maddock.com/
> 
> 93 S4 (Big Reds) Portland OR
> 95 968CS (Little Blacks but Movit's soon) Koblenz,
> DE
> 1/8 89 GTI  16V (Light Car = Tiny Brakes!)  Nürburg,
> DE
> 
> Mihnea wrote:
> >The RS2 has only had 2 front brakes sizes:
> >
> >304x32 for the small reds
> >322x32 for the big reds.
> >(snippage!)
> >Mihnea
> >
> >At 18:48 28/01/2004 +0100, Richard Tanimura wrote:
> >>
> >>Yes I know the first RS2 was a 304x32. I just
> thought that bringing it up
> >>would add to the background noise. But the second
> RS2 was 314x32 not
> 323x32.
> >>It says so in the FA under the RS2. I happened to
> have looked this up the
> >>other day. The both went with the Little Red = S4
> caliper.
> >>
> >>(snippage!)
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Linus Toy [mailto:linust at mindspring.com]
> >>
> >>FWIW, the original RS2 rotor was 304x32, under a
> "small" red caliper as
> you
> >>refer to it.  The "upgraded" RS2 rotor was 322x32
> of the 993tt, under the
> >>Big
> >>Red caliper of the 993tt.  Both sizes are stock
> Porsche rotors--remember,
> >>the
> >>RS2 used a Porsche spec hub and bolt circle,
> 5x130, instead of the normal
> >>Audi
> >>5x112.
> >>
> >>(snippage!)
> >>
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Richard Tanimura
> [mailto:richard at tanimuras.com]
> >>(snippage!)
> >> > The "factory" solution is actually just a
> bracket (Audi PN
> >> > 8A0 615 125 A). It was designed to fit the
> RS2,928 S4, 944
> >> > TurboS, 968 M030 (Little Red) caliper to a
> Porsche hub
> >> > carrying a 314x32 Porsche rotor. The "factory"
> never intended
> >> > it to adapt the "Big Red" to an Audi hub
> carrying a 323x30
> >> > Audi rotor. I think that's why you need the 5
> mm spacers (the
> >> > rotor diameter is 9 mm larger). I think the
> centerline of the
> >> > rotor is also slightly displaced relative to
> the caliper, but
> >> > when you think of all the factors that are
> different, it is
> >> > amazing the thing works at all.
> >> >
> >> > So if you want perfect centering and no
> spacers, you need a
> >> > custom bracket made for a specific
> caliper-rotor combination.
> >> > ECS, Movit, BIRA and others have developed such
> brackets.
> >> >
> >> > Rich
> 
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