[s-cars] Re: S-CAR-List Digest, Vol 9, Issue 29
Larry C Leung
l.leung at juno.com
Mon Jul 12 00:29:28 EDT 2004
Kirby,
Yeah, definitely not following your description, and it
doesn't lend itself to ASCII art. If you can remember
the reference, that would be great. All I know is that
with toe-out and negative camber (when I tried it with
the Solo car) the car wanted to turn in, EVERYWHERE,
exaggerated tramelining, etc. Turned in well, and not
stable, perfect for Autocross, bad for the street. I am
wondering if you are describing the contact patch center
relationship to the steering axis in your description below,
but I just can't put it together at the moment. Perhaps I'll
have time to re-read tomorrow or some other lister
can help clarify. That's the problem sometimes with words
vs pictures. Oh well....
LL - NY
On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 00:21:06 -0400 Kirby Smith
<kirby.a.smith at verizon.net> writes:
> Larry:
>
> If you take a nickel, put it on edge, lean it one way, and define
> that
> as negative camber for whichever side it would be negative for, and
> then
> look at toe in vs. out, you will see that toe out compensates for
> the
> negative camber as the tire rolls, or in this case, as the nickel
> would
> roll if it were stable. Maybe a toy tire would be a better example
> to
> observe. If you tilt a tire inwards with negative camber, and then
> add
> toe in, you can see that the tire really wants to turn in. Or, put
> another way, the axel is pointing down and back from the tire. When
> you
> force it to go straight by having the image condition on the other
> side,
> you get grinding. With toe out, the center of tire action(?)
> follows a
> diagonal stripe from the inside front to the outside rear of the
> pressure patch, and evens the wear. I don't know any other way to
> explain it. I may be able eventually to remember the reference
> where I
> first learned this.
>
> Children don't try this at home; toe in with negative camber and
> thus
> non-mimimal tire wear may still be necessary for steering
> stability.
> The above ONLY addresses minimizing wear.
>
> kirby
>
>
>
> Larry C Leung wrote:
> >
> > Kirby:
> >
> > Don't you mean toe-in? Toed out means the inside edges of the
> > tires lead, adding to their wear. My 200Q suffered toe out and
> > the inside edges of those tires wore like crazy until I was able
> to
> > have the toe corrected.
> >
> > My GTi ran only out-of-spec camber, toe was set to factory
> > spec as it was also my daily driver, and I had no flat areas
> nearby
> > (lived in the country) to reset things after events. The
> excessive
> > negative camber wore the insides of the fronts less agressively
> than
> > the toed out 200. The rear of my GTi (being front drive, was set
> > a zero toe actually toed out under braking) was set fairly
> conservatively
> > compared to some others I ran against, not like it helped them
> much ;-)
> > ...!
> > I did attempt to play the tire temp game, but it's not as
> effective in
> > autocross
> > as it is in road racing or time trials, heat isn't so evenly built
> up,
> > even in
> > divisional level courses (where you don't want to be setting up
> your
> > car anyway) which ran nearly 2 minutes. Even still, the GTi was
> running
> > tire temps that varied only about 4 degrees F across the tread,
> which
> > isn't bad for a compromise street/Auto-X set-up.
> >
> > BTW, driven axles can afford a little toe-out in general, as when
> they
> > "drive", suspension compliance tends to take the toe-out back
> towards
> > neutral. In fact, too much toe in on a driven axle can introduce
> outside
> > feathering and wear. Toe misalignment tends towards more
> feathering
> > type wear anyway, which seems worse than simple camber wear.
> >
> > LL - NY
> >
> > On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 10:53:45 -0400 Kirby Smith
> > <kirby.a.smith at verizon.net> writes:
> > > Wear due to negative camber depends on toe. Toe out equal to
> > > negative
> > > camber would almost eliminate wear. Good for autocrossing
> perhaps,
> > > but
> > > a bit hairy for the street. Rear tires on auto x machines can
> > > stand
> > > less toe in, or even toe out (my Corvair ran one-eight inch toe
> out
> > > in
> > > the rear), whereas the front tires would tend to never have
> enough
> > > toe
> > > out to compensate for significant negative camber.
> > >
> > > kirby
> > >
> > >
> > > Larry C Leung wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Tony:
> > > >
> > > > When tires get wide, camber mis-alignment issues get
> exacerbated,
> > > > especially with wide rims. On my Solo2 GTi, which stock specs
> > > > are VERY similar to the UrS (coincidence), I was running 1.3
> > > > degrees negative camber for the Auto-X season, and since I
> > > > didn't winter the car, all of it's simply "fun" drives. Since
> my
> > > > street rubber and rims on the car were comparatively small
> > > > (195/55-14 on 6 inch rims), the wear on the insides was not
> > > > as bad as Eric described on his UrS, although the insides of
> > > > the fronts did wear notably quicker than the rest of the
> tires
> > > > though, although rotating frequently got reasonable wear out
> > > > of them. The other issue would be toe-out, which will wear
> > > > out the insides of the tires MUCH more quickly than too much
> > > > negative camber (BTDT while waiting for tie-rod ends for my
> > > > 200Q. Once the toe was fixed, the excess wear stopped).
> > > > Perhaps that's what was wrong with Eric's car.
> > > >
> > > > LL - NY
> > > >
> > > > > ------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 19:07:36 -0700
> > > > > From: "Tony" <tony.curran at sympatico.ca>
> > > > > Subject: [s-cars] Re: UrS4/S6 Front Alignment Specs
> > > > > To: "Fred Munro" <munrof at sympatico.ca>, <RubEric at aol.com>,
> > > > > <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> > > > > Message-ID: <001d01c466eb$d638a240$92c7fea9 at thecurranmach>
> > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks Fred.
> > > > >
> > > > > So this confirms the camber specs I've been seeing. But
> what
> > > about
> > > > > the
> > > > > shredding of Eric's tire? It was just out of spec and
> shredded.
> > > Mine
> > > > > was WAY
> > > > > out of spec and didn't. What's at play here?
> > > > >
> > > > > Interested because next upgrade is probably new 17" wheels
> from
> > > > > stock Avus
> > > > > with either 225 or 235 tires.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tony
> > > > > 96 S6
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Fred Munro" <munrof at sympatico.ca>
> > > > > To: "Tony" <tony.curran at sympatico.ca>; <RubEric at aol.com>;
> > > > > <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 11:35 AM
> > > > > Subject: UrS4/S6 Front Alignment Specs
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > The official UrS4/S6 front alignment specs from page T44-4
> of
> > > the
> > > > > Bentley
> > > > > > are as follows:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Toe: spec +15' (+0.25 degrees), range +5' to +20' (+0.08
> > > degrees
> > > > > to + 0.33
> > > > > > degrees)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Camber: spec -50' (- 0.8 degrees), range -15' to -80' (-
> 0.25
> > > > > degrees
> > > > > > to -1.33 degrees)
> > > > > > Note: Max difference between sides 30' (0.5 degrees)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Caster: spec +55' (+ 0.91 degrees), range +15' to +95' (+
> > > 0.25
> > > > > degrees to
> > > > > > +1.58 degrees)
> > > > > > Note: max 1 degree
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The figures in brackets are my conversions of minutes to
> > > degrees.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Fred Munro
> > > > > > '94 S4
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Tony [mailto:tony.curran at sympatico.ca]
> > > > > > Sent: July 10, 2004 1:22 AM
> > > > > > To: Fred Munro; RubEric at aol.com; s-car-list at audifans.com
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [s-cars] Tire Wear - Lowered S6
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Here is a link to theCS Tuning site where they are
> > > demonstrating
> > > > > the
> > > > > > benefits of their camber plates. The vehicle alignment
> reports
> > > at
> > > > > the
> > > > > bottom
> > > > > > clearly show spec is -1.3 deg to -0.4 degs. This is the
> same
> > > as
> > > > > the outfit
> > > > > > who aligned my car, from the report provided.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My report also showed what the pre-alignment camber was.
> > > > > > Before
> > > > > > Left -1.1 deg, Right -2.0 degs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > After
> > > > > > Left -1.3 degs, Right -1.5 degs
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My car was previously owned by someone in Montreal which
> is
> > > > > infamous for
> > > > > its
> > > > > > potholes. I suspected the camber was out as the right
> side
> > > tire
> > > > > wear was
> > > > > not
> > > > > > consistent with the left side. After the 40000kms in two
> > > years,
> > > > > there has
> > > > > > been some extra wear but no shredding and no metal
> visible. I
> > > > > delayed
> > > > > > re-aligning as I knew I would be replacing suspension and
> > > tires in
> > > > > not too
> > > > > > distant future.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So what is it that has caused Eric's tire to shred. Could
> it
> > > be
> > > > > the
> > > > > > combination of camber spec and wider tire - mine are stock
> 225
> > > tho
> > > > > they
> > > > > are
> > > > > > all season which are due to be change soon.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tony
> > > > > > 96 S6
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Fred Munro" <munrof at sympatico.ca>
> > > > > > To: <tony.curran at sympatico.ca>; <RubEric at aol.com>;
> > > > > <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 5:08 PM
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [s-cars] Tire Wear - Lowered S6
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > The front camber alignment spec for the UrS4 (from the
> > > alignment
> > > > > machine
> > > > > > > printout at my local dealer) is -1.08 to -0.08. Caster
> is
> > > +0.25
> > > > > to +1.58
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > toe is +0.04 to +0.17
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The inside shoulders of my tires were wearing at a
> camber
> > > of
> > > > > -1.04 with
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > stock suspension.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > HTH
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Fred Munro
> > > > > > > '94 S4
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com
> > > > > > > [mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com]On Behalf Of
> > > > > > > tony.curran at sympatico.ca
> > > > > > > Sent: July 9, 2004 1:12 PM
> > > > > > > To: RubEric at aol.com; s-car-list at audifans.com
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [s-cars] Tire Wear - Lowered S6
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Eric,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I too have just lowered my 96 S6 with Eibachs/Bilstein.
> My
> > > car
> > > > > has
> > > > > dropped
> > > > > > > 20mm front and back tho back has 10mm spacer. I
> maintained
> > > the
> > > > > original
> > > > > > > camber plates. Camber after alignment is -1.3 left and
> -1.5
> > > > > right. I was
> > > > > > > told spec is -1.3 to -0.4 - I'd point you to the ECS
> Tuning
> > > link
> > > > > that
> > > > > > shows
> > > > > > > this but I don't have it on my office PC.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I will keep an eye on the inside edges for wear.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tony
> > > > > > > 96 S6
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From: RubEric at aol.com
> > > > > > > > Date: 2004/07/09 Fri PM 12:58:40 EST
> > > > > > > > To: s-car-list at audifans.com
> > > > > > > > Subject: [s-cars] Tire Wear - Lowered S6
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The subject is my treasured S6, chipped w/digital
> boost
> > > gauge.
> > > > > I have
> > > > > 18
> > > > > > > inch
> > > > > > > > Avus wheels with SP 9000 235-40x18 tires and big reds.
> I
> > > > > installed
> > > > > > Eibach
> > > > > > > > springs and Bilstein shocks lowering the car about
> 1-3/4
> > > > > inches. (The
> > > > > > > Bilstien's
> > > > > > > > were harsh - the car rode as if the tires had 100 lbs
> of
> > > air -
> > > > > so I
> > > > > > > removed
> > > > > > > > them and reinstalled the original equipment shocks.
> The
> > > > > resulting ride
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > wonderful.)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > With slotted strut mounts, the car aligned with camber
> at
> > > -1.5
> > > > > deg L
> > > > > > > and -1.2
> > > > > > > > deg R. Specs are - 1.1 deg to -0.1 deg. I realized
> this
> > > was
> > > > > out of
> > > > > > spec
> > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > it was not FAR out, was it? My plan was to monitor
> tire
> > > wear
> > > > > and to
> > > > > > > replace
> > > > > > > > the camber plates if wear became evident.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Well, I watched for unusual tread wear but none
> appeared
> > > so I
> > > > > concluded
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > I had avoided the expense of a caster/camber
> adjustment
> > > system
> > > > > and was
> > > > > > > okay.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Well, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG! I was looking in the
> wrong
> > > place!
> > > > > The
> > > > > tread
> > > > > > > did
> > > > > > > > not show evidence of excessive wear - the wear was
> taking
> > > place
> > > > > on the
> > > > > > > inside
> > > > > > > > shoulder of the tires. I have never seen such wear.
> The
> > > > > inside
> > > > > shoulder
> > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > actually worn concave and the steel belts were
> showing
> > > along
> > > > > about a
> > > > > > foot
> > > > > > > of the
> > > > > > > > circumference! (Pics available, if of interest.)
> This
> > > was
> > > > > after about
> > > > > > > 8,000
> > > > > > > > miles!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Well, I ordered four new SP 9000's and 2Bennett's
> > > > > camber/caster
> > > > > system.
> > > > > > > > ($O,uch) I am very impressed by how beautifully made
> > > these
> > > > > plates
> > > > > are.
> > > > > > > > Installation was very easy. Thanks very much for the
> > > group
> > > > > purchase.
> > > > > > That
> > > > > > > really helped.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Alignment with the 2 Bennet System yielded -0.8 deg
> Left
> > > and -
> > > > > 0.5 deg
> > > > > > > right,
> > > > > > > > about in the middle of the spec, with everything else
> > > within
> > > > > specs.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I did not think being only so 'slightly' out of spec
> > > would
> > > > > result in
> > > > > > such
> > > > > > > > spectacular wear and I wonder if it there is some
> other
> > > > > problem. Altho
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > now seem
> > > > > > > > to be within spec I will monitor tire wear, especially
> on
> > > the
> > > > > inside
> > > > > > > > shoulders, much more carefully.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > My thoughts: If you're gonna' lower, you gotta'
> change
> > > the
> > > > > plates!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Good Luck,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Eric
> > > > > > > > 95 S6
> > > > > > > > Olympic
> > > > > > > > RT 10
> > > > > > > > XK 120 (Hers)
> > > > > > > > Mk IV (Hers too!)
> > > > > > > > FLHR
> > > > > > > > FLHRC (Hers)
> > > > > > > > Chry CQ
> > > > > > > > Some trucks.
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> > > > > ------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > Message: 4
> > > > > Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 19:15:51 -0700
> > > > > From: "Tony" <tony.curran at sympatico.ca>
> > > > > Subject: [s-cars] Just added 2nd rear fog light
> > > > > To: <S-CAR-List at audifans.com>
> > > > > Message-ID: <003401c466ec$fd52e600$92c7fea9 at thecurranmach>
> > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> > > > >
> > > > > I have just added a second rear fog light to my S6. Quite
> cheap
> > > to
> > > > > do. I'm using LED 1156 bulbs so the power draw is minimal
> and
> > > allows
> > > > > you to tap in to the original wiring to make the
> connections.
> > > > >
> > > > > Parts:
> > > > > 2 x 1156 LED bulbs obtained off eBay.
> > > > > 1 x folg lamp bulb socket Audi no. 893 945 265 (Cdn$9.34
> inc
> > > tax)
> > > > > 2 x self stripping tap connections obtained from your local
> > > auto
> > > > > parts supplier, or in my case Canadian Tire.
> > > > > 36 inches of speaker wire or similar.
> > > > >
> > > > > This will catch you up with the C5 A6 which has twin rear
> fogs.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tony
> > > > > 96 S6
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > Message: 5
> > > > > Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 19:39:07 -0400
> > > > > From: Robert Myers <robert at s-cars.org>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [s-cars] Just added 2nd rear fog light
> > > > > To: "Tony" <tony.curran at sympatico.ca>,
> > > <S-CAR-List at audifans.com>
> > > > > Message-ID:
> > > > > <6.1.0.6.2.20040710193728.025f3aa0 at pop.registeredsite.com>
> > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The reasoning behind having only one rear fog light is that
> it
> > > helps
> > > > >
> > > > > prevent a following driver from thinking it's a brake
> light.
> > > > >
> > > > > At 07:15 PM 7/10/2004 -0700, Tony wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >I have just added a second rear fog light to my S6. Quite
> cheap
> > > to
> > > > > do. I'm
> > > > > >using LED 1156 bulbs so the power draw is minimal and
> allows
> > > you to
> > > > > tap in
> > > > > >to the original wiring to make the connections.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Parts:
> > > > > >2 x 1156 LED bulbs obtained off eBay.
> > > > > >1 x folg lamp bulb socket Audi no. 893 945 265 (Cdn$9.34
> inc
> > > tax)
> > > > > >2 x self stripping tap connections obtained from your
> local
> > > auto
> > > > > parts
> > > > > >supplier, or in my case Canadian Tire.
> > > > > >36 inches of speaker wire or similar.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >This will catch you up with the C5 A6 which has twin rear
> > > fogs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Tony
> > > > > >96 S6
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> > > > > _____
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob
> > > > >
> > > > > When Jesus said, "Love your enemies", I suspect he meant,
> "Do
> > > not
> > > > > kill them".
> > > > > _____
> > > > > Robert L. Myers 304-574-2372
> > > > > Rt. 4, Box 57, Fayetteville, WV 25840 USA WV tag Q SHIP
> > > > > '95 urS6 Cashmere Grey - der Wunderwagen YM ID
> rmyers25840
> > > > > http://www.cob-net.org/church/pvcob.htm
> > > > > _____
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > Message: 6
> > > > > Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 19:55:15 -0700
> > > > > From: "Tony" <tony.curran at sympatico.ca>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [s-cars] Just added 2nd rear fog light
> > > > > To: <S-CAR-List at audifans.com>, "Robert Myers"
> > > <robert at s-cars.org>
> > > > > Message-ID: <003d01c466f2$7e2e5160$92c7fea9 at thecurranmach>
> > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> > > > >
> > > > > Don't think so. Centre brake light comes on with the brakes.
> I
> > > only
> > > > > use them in rain, snow and, of course, fog.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's the red turning signals that are confusing (which I
> don't
> > > have,
> > > > > by the way).
> > > > >
> > > > > Tony
> > > > > 96 S6
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Robert Myers
> > > > > To: Tony ; S-CAR-List at audifans.com
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 4:39 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [s-cars] Just added 2nd rear fog light
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The reasoning behind having only one rear fog light is
> that
> > > it
> > > > > helps prevent a following driver from thinking it's a brake
> > > light.
> > > > >
> > > > > At 07:15 PM 7/10/2004 -0700, Tony wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I have just added a second rear fog light to my S6.
> Quite
> > > cheap
> > > > > to do. I'm using LED 1156 bulbs so the power draw is
> minimal
> > > and
> > > > > allows you to tap in to the original wiring to make the
> > > > > connections.
> > > > >
> > > > > Parts:
> > > > > 2 x 1156 LED bulbs obtained off eBay.
> > > > > 1 x folg lamp bulb socket Audi no. 893 945 265
> (Cdn$9.34
> > > inc
> > > > > tax)
> > > > > 2 x self stripping tap connections obtained from your
> local
> > > auto
> > > > > parts supplier, or in my case Canadian Tire.
> > > > > 36 inches of speaker wire or similar.
> > > > >
> > > > > This will catch you up with the C5 A6 which has twin
> rear
> > > fogs.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tony
> > > > > 96 S6
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> > > > > _____
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob
> > > > >
> > > > > When Jesus said, "Love your enemies", I suspect he meant,
> "Do
> > > not
> > > > > kill them".
> > > > > _____
> > > > > Robert L. Myers 304-574-2372
> > > > > Rt. 4, Box 57, Fayetteville, WV 25840 USA WV tag Q SHIP
> > > > >
> > > > > '95 urS6 Cashmere Grey - der Wunderwagen YM ID
> rmyers25840
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.cob-net.org/church/pvcob.htm
> > > > > _____
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > Message: 7
> > > > > Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 20:23:26 -0400
> > > > > From: Kirby Smith <kirby.a.smith at verizon.net>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [s-cars] RE: The Great Coolant Debate
> > > > > To: "Krasusky Paul (WQQ2PXK)" <WQQ2PXK at ups.com>
> > > > > Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
> > > > > Message-ID: <40F0887E.6AAE5DEB at verizon.net>
> > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> > > > >
> > > > > Tim switched mine from pink to green some time ago. For
> the
> > > same
> > > > > reason.
> > > > >
> > > > > kirby
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Krasusky Paul (WQQ2PXK)" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Evan unknowingly cooled:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > <<<Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 11:45:54 -0400
> > > > > > From: "evan at relivmaine.com" <evan at relivmaine.com>
> > > > > > Subject: [s-cars] The Great Coolant Debate
> > > > > >
> > > > > > S-Heads,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just purchased my UrS6 in April and was showing it off to
> a
> > > fellow
> > > > > S-Head.
> > > > > > As we were looking under the hood, he turned to me with a
> > > > > horrified look
> > > > > > and scolded me for having "green" coolant in my car.
> "It's
> > > got to
> > > > > be the
> > > > > > red stuff, get that stuff out of there ASAP!">>>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As I mentioned to Evan off-list yesterday, I had recently
> > > flushed
> > > > > out the
> > > > > > green stuff that came in my car with the correct blue.
> Only
> > > to
> > > > > have my head
> > > > > > gasket done @ NEA last week, and when I popped the hood I
> > > couldn't
> > > > > help but
> > > > > > notice the NEON GREEN overflow. I ever-so-humbly
> questioned
> > > Tim
> > > > > on it, to
> > > > > > which he replied, "Dextron (or whatever it's called) is
> > > better
> > > > > than any of
> > > > > > that other crap, I've had more water pumps, etc. get
> eaten
> > > with
> > > > > blue or pink
> > > > > > than with the green".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I wasn't about to question his infinite wisdom further.
> Esp.
> > > > > after doing
> > > > > > such great work to my car.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So, YMMV, but until my waterpump comes out in 20-30k for
> a
> > > tbelt
> > > > > change, I'm
> > > > > > running green I guess.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Paul what do I know K.
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