how great is the S-car-- Re: mustang vs S-Car -- Re: [s-cars] RE: Stebro

Bill Clancy clancybill at yahoo.com
Sat May 15 00:59:35 EDT 2004 

I'm not sure the point that you are making.   I think I agree but I am not
quite getting your point.

my thing is... I like the S6 sedan.   but it handles like shit, the
turbo/engine has software bugs, and it can't brake to save it's ass.

An M3 out of the box needs nothing.   the Audi is disappointing.

for a while I had both the 90 supercoupe and the 95 S6.   Yes, the S6 is
more refined and is great for a road trip but a road trip in the supercoupe
can't be beat.   It's fast, it handles superbly, gets 27 mpg on the highway,
it has a sunroof, power everything and it needs nothing from stock.

the fact that all of us on this email list have to rebuild our Audis...
well, I don't know the words....
I love it on a road trip and it is a great ski car.   but anyone who thinks
that it is the cat's ass and the "greatest car on the road" is just feeling
that way to save face.

why do I make such remarks? because I like it, but I am frustrated with the
car I have.  And I blame Audi.

Let's imagine this (fictional) situation...
"hey I just bought a new Ferrari .   next i am going to change the springs
put koni yellows in it and chip it, then change the wheels and get some
Lamborghini brakes."     Then I'll have a nice car.
--sounds silly huh?


>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "alexander witham" <alexander_witham at yahoo.com>
> To: "Bill Clancy" <clancybill at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 7:17 PM
> Subject: Re: mustang vs S-Car -- Re: [s-cars] RE: Stebro
>
>
> > Bill,
> >
> > I agree with your statement, however, I think you'll
> > find that the weight difference between the SC (I
> > assume you mean the '89 through '93) and the S-car is
> > far less than 1000lbs. I believe, in fact, that
> > they're within 100lbs of each other. Both are heavy
> > cars.
> > Also, bear in mind that neither the M3 nor the SC can
> > accommodate so many as comfortably and in such luxury.
> > In '92 when the original S4 was offered to the US
> > market, you really had only three other choices for
> > high performance sedans, and they were the Taurus SHO,
> > the BMW M5, and the MB 500E. The latter two made the
> > S-car look downright inexpensive. I agree that the
> > S-car could have been made to handle much better out
> > of the box, but this was back when Audi didn't yet
> > know what they were trying to achieve. They offered
> > one of the swiftest cars on the market, but
> > compromised on the car's handling to accommodate what
> > they understood the US market desired. You'll be hard
> > pressed to find a better real world all rounder than
> > the UrS cars for the same kind of money.
> > Personally, I think even Audi's current S cars are too
> > soft around the middle. Even the mighty RS6 doesn't do
> > everything I think it should. I would like to see an R
> > model, that's pure racing, sort of like BMW's M3CSL.
> >
> > Alex
> >
> > --- Bill Clancy <clancybill at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > yes, I am sure you can get it to handle better with
> > > suspension upgrades.
> > > Mine is mostly stock.
> > >
> > > I bought mine in 98 with 50K on it.   As I said, I
> > > think it's a great car
> > > but it just doesn't handle.   It's a heavy 4 door
> > > sedan.   Just because it's
> > > German doesn't mean it's a better handling car than
> > > an American built one.
> > > Take the T-Bird Supercoupe for example.   It has
> > > independent rear suspension
> > > (like the audi), has stiffer springs, a sway bar, a
> > > much lower center of
> > > gravity and is about 1000 lbs lighter.   The
> > > steering ratio was much less
> > > and had negative 5 degrees of caster.   It was glued
> > > to the road.   It was
> > > the best handling car that i have owned.
> > >
> > > My friend has a 97 M3.  He didn't have to
> > > disassemble it and install after
> > > market springs / shocks, replace the brakes with
> > > ones from a Porsche etc...
> > > and it came with 17" wheels.   The S6 is a great
> > > concept, but it seems that
> > > so many parts need to be upgraded to make it what it
> > > should be.   I like my
> > > S6, but I think it performs poorly in too many areas
> > > if it is left with
> > > stock parts.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "steve powers" <steve at thepowers.net>
> > > To: "Theodore Chen" <tedebearp at yahoo.com>; "TM"
> > > <t44tq at mindspring.com>;
> > > "'matt ludwig'" <matt.ludwig2 at verizon.net>; "'//Scar
> > > //Scar list'"
> > > <s-car-list at audifans.com>; "Bill Clancy"
> > > <clancybill at yahoo.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 2:45 PM
> > > Subject: Re: mustang vs S-Car -- Re: [s-cars] RE:
> > > Stebro
> > >
> > >
> > > > Bill:
> > > >
> > > > > I've owned a mustangs, a Z28, a T-bird
> > > supercoupe.   I like the Audi
> > > > > because
> > > > > it's all wheel drive and seats 4, and it's a bit
> > > more appropriate when
> > > > > taking a customer and your boss out for lunch.
> > > But I have to say it's
> > > > > about the worst handling car that i've owned.
> > > I'm sure it gets better
> > > > > with
> > > > > stiffer springs, a rear sway bar, 18 inch wheels
> > > etc, but stock it
> > > handles
> > > > > like an 87 Lincoln Town Car.
> > > >
> > > > When did you purchase yours? and with how many
> > > miles? This may be a factor
> > > > on how you judge the ride. In my experience, the
> > > S6/S4 handles way better
> > > > than _any_ T-bird and probably most Camaros. Late
> > > model Camaros are piggy.
> > > > Mustangs are much lighter and if well equipped,
> > > will perform better.
> > > >
> > > > For comparison I bought my S6 Avant in '95 with 7
> > > miles on it. All miles
> > > on
> > > > my car are mine. It rode great, though tended to
> > > roll a bit when it was
> > > > stock. It's far from that now and has numerous
> > > suspension upgrades since.
> > > It
> > > > performed very well at the recent club autocross
> > > event. It just turned
> > > 105k
> > > > this AM.
> > > >
> > > > Steve Powers
> > > > anxiously awaiting an HRSB
> > >
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