[s-cars] Re: Mr. Hull bids adieu to the s//S2
Elijahallen92 at aol.com
Elijahallen92 at aol.com
Sat Jun 18 15:24:48 EDT 2005
>From what I read he can import a car that doesn't meet US regulations but
there is a time frame that he can have it in the states before he has to go
through all the crap to make it US worthy.
Elijah
In a message dated 6/18/2005 3:18:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, bobs6 at msn.com
writes:
Ok- so what about a military importation? My brother is in Kuait and could
buy a car in Europe... Then sell it to me down the road. Possible?
>From: Elijahallen92 at aol.com
>To: badcomrade at gmail.com, bobs6 at msn.com
>CC: s-car-list at audifans.com, quattro at audifans.com, 200q20v at audifans.com
>Subject: Re: [s-cars] Re: Mr. Hull bids adieu to the s//S2
>Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 15:13:58 EDT
>
>
>Thats a whole different story and no it won't work, I talked to an RI and
>also the customs agents about this and even if you bring the engine in
>seperate
>from the car it still has to be registered as something and they said
>unless
>you get rid of the identity of what it is your bringing in and call it a
>show
>car or a race car it can't be done for normal street driving. They did say
>you could call it a show car but you would be limited to how many miles a
>year
>you could drive it and if it was a race car then it had to meet all the
>specs of a race car like a roll cage and so on. I agree that yes, I see
>all kinds
>of right hand drive and other cars that were never brought here on the
>road
>but who knows what they went through to do it. I'm not to worried about it
>at
>this point with my car because its much more thrack than street set up
>right
>now anyway.
>
>Elijah
>
>In a message dated 6/18/2005 12:19:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>badcomrade at gmail.com writes:
>
>That's a nice loophole if that's in fact what they do. That's a
>pretty nice looking car... reminds me of a cooler looking version of
>that new "baby lotus" that everyone here in Chicago seems to be
>getting instead of Corvettes now...
>
>So what about that guys? Can you pull an engine from an "unauthorized
>Audi" and ship it on it's own, then ship the car by itself without it
>having to be inspected? I know nothing about kit cars and how they're
>registered, etc... but that's an interesting idea for anyone on the
>list that wants a "cheap" way of importing an Audi they can't get here
>:)
>
>
>On 6/17/05, Bob DG <bobs6 at msn.com> wrote:
> > Why not take the motor out of the car, ship motor and car seperately,
>then
> > import as a kit car- just like 1g racing does with the Noble. You could
>even
> > insure it based on value...
> >
> > >From: Taka Mizutani <t44tqtro at gmail.com>
> > >Reply-To: Taka Mizutani <t44tqtro at gmail.com>
> > >To: Chris Hall <badcomrade at gmail.com>
> > >CC: Quattro List <quattro at audifans.com>,"S-CAR at audifans.com"
> > ><s-car-list at audifans.com>,s-200 list <200q20v at audifans.com>
> > >Subject: [s-cars] Re: Mr. Hull bids adieu to the s//S2
> > >Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 19:04:22 -0400
> > >
> > >Chris-
> > >You need an affidavit from Audi of America stating that the S2 that
> > >you're trying to import is basically the same as a Coupe Quattro and
> > >that it meets all DOT safety standards. I seriously doubt you or
> > >anyone else, for that matter, can get that from AoA.
> > >
> > >Ferrari won't do it even for the 360 Modena, although they're doing
> > >"world cars" now- all cars conform to the DOT/TUV/etc. standards for
> > >all markets in which the cars are sold- much easier to produce cars
> > >that way.
> > >
> > >You think it's easy to pass the EPA emissions test? Have you ever done
> > >this- it's much more involved than a state emissions test and they do
> > >a visual inspection as well- you must have appropriate emissions
> > >equipment installed, regardless of whether you believe or not that the
> > >car will pass without it.
> > >
> > >If you haven't done this or at least known someone to do it, you
> > >really don't understand what you're getting into. Having talked to
> > >several people about the process, I would not even attempt to do this
> > >unless I was seriously wealthy and didn't care about the time and
> > >money involved in doing this. The Audi S2 is not a car that you'll
> > >have much success with. I'd rather import a BMW 850CSi, Alpina B10
> > >Biturbo, Porsche 993 3.8RS or something like that.
> > >
> > >Taka
> > >
> > >
> > >On 6/17/05, Chris Hall <badcomrade at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Apparently what you need is the following:
> > > >
> > > > An HS-7 Declaration form (available at ports of entry or online).
> > > >
> > > > Cars less than 25 years old must comply with all applicable Federal
> > > > motor vehicle safety standards (FMVSS) to be imported on a
>permanent
> > > > basis.
> > > > (Vehicles manufactured to comply with the FMVSS will have a
> > > > certification label affixed by the original manufacturer in the
>area
> > > > of the driver-side door. )
> > > >
> > > > A vehicle without a certification label cannot be imported as a
> > > > "conforming" vehicle.
> > > > In this case, the importer must contract with a Registered Importer
>(RI)
> > >to
> > > >
> > > > ******** modify the vehicle and post a DOT Conformance Bond in an
> > > > amount equivalent to one and a half times the vehicle's dutiable
> > > > value. ******** (ouch!)
> > > >
> > > > This bond is in addition to the normal Customs entry bond (which is
> > > > what... 3%?). Copies of the DOT Conformance Bond and the contract
> > > > with an RI must be attached to the HS-7.
> > > >
> > > > "If the petitioned vehicle is not similar to one sold in the U.S.,
> > > > this process can become very complex and costly." Well, that S2
>is
> > > > "similar"... Doesn't say IDENTICAL... so who cares about the core
> > > > support... lol.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > So that's pretty much it (other than the EPA part, and really...
>how
> > > > hard is it for a car to pass emissions... my Coupe GT did it with
>no
> > > > cat lol.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 6/17/05, Taka Mizutani <t44tqtro at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Chris-
> > > > > Have you tried to get Audi of America to send you an affidavit
>stating
> > > > > that the S2 is significantly similar to a US-spec car (forget the
> > > > > official name of the document)? Good luck.
> > > > >
> > > > > The rad support and some other parts are significantly different
>from
> > >the CQ.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cars older than 25 yrs. are now virtually unrestricted.
> > > > >
> > > > > Have you even ever talked to an RI about doing this? It's not as
> > > > > simple as you make it out to be.
> > > > >
> > > > > Taka
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 6/17/05, Chris Hall <badcomrade at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Well like I said, that car is pretty much the exact same body
>that
> > >was
> > > > > > used on the U.S. Coupe Quattro, so as far as that part is
>concerned
> > > > > > (which is a big part), that shouldn't have stopped it from
>coming
>in
> > > > > > since they were approved for U.S. roads.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The only other 3 things I can think of that can stop a car from
> > >being
> > > > > > imported are: #1 the manufacturer decided they don't want to
> > > > > > #2 something was on the car that didn't allow it to meet U.S.
> > > > > > emissions specs (and could be modded / detuned to allow it to
>pass
> > > > > > inspection...)
> > > > > > #3 there were some DOT safety issues... type of headlights,
>and
>all
> > > > > > the other minor stupid crap that has to be changed for the U.S.
> > >market
> > > > > > which again, could probably also be taken care of for way way
>less
> > > > > > than $30,000.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've seen TONS of cars here in the Chicago area that were never
> > > > > > imported in to the US for one reason for another, so it's not
>like
> > > > > > it's a wild idea... I was behind a right hand drive E type
>today
>on
> > > > > > Lake Shore Drive in fact lol.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Plus like I said, every once in a while one of the Quattro
>Sports
>in
> > > > > > this country go up for sale (usually around $90,000-$100,000)
>so
> > >that
> > > > > > would have been easier (and waaay more of an investment) than
>paying
> > > > > > someone to do all those mods he had done to make a "better than
> > > > > > average" S2. Not to mention it'd smoke the S2 lol
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 6/17/05, Taka Mizutani <t44tqtro at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > If the car is not importable, then it really doesn't matter
>what
> > >the
> > > > > > > car costs outside of the US (for people in the US, that is).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Taka
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 6/17/05, Chris Hall <badcomrade at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > So he stopped counting at $60,000 to make a "fake" S2. If
>the
> > >-real-
> > > > > > > > S2's are going for $10,000 - $15,000 U.S. What would it
>cost
> > >to
> > > > > > > > import it here and have it made DOT legal? Certainly not
> > >$60,000....
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Chris Hall
> > > > > > badcomrade at gmail.com
> > > > > > "making girls cry since 1974"
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Chris Hall
> > > > badcomrade at gmail.com
> > > > "making girls cry since 1974"
> > > >
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