[s-cars] power steering trouble

Wed Aug 22 22:27:34 EDT 2007

Dave,

Its incompatible seals from what I've seen... I believe ATF softens certain
types of rubber.  The Type 44 systems with ATF seem to start puking fluid
from every seal after a while.  Never seen an S6 care at the yards I go to,
maybe they updated the seals. :-)

Given you can pickup mineral hydraulic pretty much anywhere.. its the "low
risk" option to get you home.  I've run it in an Audi 200TQA for 5 years
now.  Bit too thick in sub-zero conditions but fine otherwise.

Why the hell German manufacturers just can't go to ATF based systems or at
least design a system which is designed to run on commercial grade Hyd oil
is what I would like to know. :-)

  _____  

From: djdawson2 at aol.com [mailto:djdawson2 at aol.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 7:04 PM
To: petergolledge at gmail.com; qweblog at gmail.com
Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
Subject: Re: [s-cars] power steering trouble

Interesting... because ATF is what the early Audis used for steering fluid.
What gives?

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Golledge <petergolledge at gmail.com>
To: 'brian hoeft' <qweblog at gmail.com>; djdawson2 at aol.com
Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
Sent: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 6:00 pm
Subject: RE: [s-cars] power steering trouble

Ummm ATF kills Hydraulic systems.... I'd flush it ASAP.  I see many, many

Audis at the boneyards in CO which are there only because ATF killed the

Rack/Pump/Hoses.

John Deere/CAT dealers have Mineral Hyd oil FYI. 

-----Original Message-----

From: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com

[mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com
<mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com?> ] On Behalf Of brian hoeft

Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 5:31 PM

To: djdawson2 at aol.com

Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com

Subject: Re: [s-cars] power steering trouble

it must be the season for hydraulic component issues.

youre the third or fourth lister ive seen mentioning troubles in a couple

weeks.

i myself just got back from a cross country trip and sprung a hydraulik leak

and not only couldnt find pentosin in Missouri and Kansas but was leaking

too much to pay $15 a quart.

sooo, i bought a $9 gallon of ATF that proved just fine and has lasted a few

thousand miles with a quart or so left.

but,, shame on me for dripping a gallon of ATF across middle America..

On 8/22/07, djdawson2 at aol.com <djdawson2 at aol.com> wrote:

>

>

> 1) Impact driver works best.?

> http://www.matcotools.com/Catalog/toolcatalog.jsp?cattype=T
<http://www.matcotools.com/Catalog/toolcatalog.jsp?cattype=T&cat=2208&p>
&cat=2208&p

> age=3&#28982

>

> 2) Blau sells the plug and o-ring kit

>

> 3) Don't run it low on fluid

>

> 4) 3 and 4 are closely related.? If you ignore #3 now, you'll be 

> asking yourself another question similar to #4 very soon.

>

> Dave

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Mike Fitton <rfitton at vt.edu>

> To: s-car <s-car-list at audifans.com>

> Sent: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 3:40 pm

> Subject: [s-cars] power steering trouble

>

>

>

>

> ...otherwise known as: Help me not pay $360 for a seven-cent o-ring.

>

> So my power steering system has been slowing leaking fluid for several 

> months now.  It wasn't fast enough to worry about it until last 

> weekend.  I was kind of afraid it was the rack, so I kind of did the 

> head in the sand bit for a while.  Finally it started coming out fast 

> enough to take a look.  Rack's fine.  It's coming out of that goofy 

> plug on top of the pump.  You know, the one that looks like a giant 

> phillips-head.  So I used my biggest flat-head and got it off 

> relatively easily (the first time).  Found an o-ring underneath that 

> has clearly failed.  But I didn't have a new o-ring for it and I'm 

> fresh out of CHF-11S, so I stick it back on.  Then I remembered that 

> there's a 24-hour Advance not far from here, so I decided to take the 

> o-ring with me over there to get a new one.

>

> But now I can't get the plug out.  I didn't think I put it in that 

> tight, but it isn't budging.  After about an hour of messing with it, 

> the plug itself isn't looking too healthy.  I've used that screwdriver 

> and a couple of other things.  Even ground down a chisel to a flat 

> tip, but everything just skips out of the head.  I needed the car the 

> next day, so I put some RTV around the edge hoping it would hold 

> fluid.  The RTV held at first, but now it's leaking again and not 

> slowly.  So I'm in desperate need of a new o-ring and preferably a new 

> plug to stick in there.

>

> So my first question: anyone have any clever ideas how to get that 

> little guy out?

>

> Second question: can I get just a new plug from somewhere?  There's a 

> check valve under the plug that sits against it just so, so I can't 

> just stick a random bolt in it.  ETKA doesn't appear to list a 

> separate p/n for it, so officially the only way to get a new plug is with

a new pump.

>

> Third question: if I run out of p/s fluid for a few days before new 

> fluid arrives in the mail, will it damage anything?  The pump isn't 

> such a big deal, but I'll be damned if I'm going to let a bad o-ring 

> on the front of the engine destroy the rack on the firewall.

>

> Fourth question: why didn't I just look at it three months ago, like 

> an intelligent and well-adjusted guy would have done?

>

> -Cheers!

> Mike

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