[s-cars] 600 miles on one tank of gas!

Thu Aug 23 00:05:33 EDT 2007

okay,

i have no pictures at this time since i broke my digi and my cell cam isnt
clear enough.

currently the fuel cell itself is mounted just above the oil cooler powered
through a relay mounted in that little nook near where the passenger side of
the strut brace mounts, wired to a switch, ammeter, power of course and the
cell. the cell has one gas line out that goes to the drier (made by me out
of pvc pipe, a couple elbows and caucasian engineering) the line goes to the
lower port of that canister and out of the top is another line that i made a
pretzel knot in and then tapped into the cuff in between the DBR intake and
MAFS.

it actually fits quite nice and isnt noticable unless you really poke your
head in.

i dont like that it is tapped in where it is because of what the gas has to
travel through/by/near etc..  but for exactly what dave mentions is what
makes that optimum in my eyes. any suggestions are welcome.  putting it
after the IC would make other pressures pos/neg give reactions ranging from
false air to pressurizing the cell.

what else,, engine management,,  after many stops of varying distances, i
found that between 30&50 miles the ECU didnt like what it was reading and
then proceeds to dump fuel to save itself.

i got the cell for free and had no o2ptimizer at the time to wire in, so i
figured i could just route my vag adapter&serial cable into my cabin and
clear the codes as i went.

Ewe must have realized thats a bad idea and not let the software to such a
thing. so i just pulled over..

shame on me, i got carried away for one stretch and didnt clear codes for
over 100 miles.. cruising along and then went to accelerate and stumbled
hard.  got spooked pulled over, checked fluids, did smell tests and finally
concluded my cat was probably loaded with fuel. so i took a rest played
stick with my liebe(thats my dog you pervs) and then when i got back on my
way and with the cell switched off i floored it and sure enough a few
hickups and spray in the rearview, i had power again.  also i should note
that i didnt boost much over 15lbs with the cell on and did notice UNsmooth
acceleration after 20lbs.  i question how much Mo(tronic) payed attention or
even saw the difference in readings at that point.

there are other adventures i could get really elaborite on like mixing
potassium hydroxide(lye/caustic) w/distilled water in the cell at various
altitudes and temps, and all the strange looks i got playing with water
displacement bottles under my hood while wearing gloves and holding
measuring spoons around the same time im mixing cans of acetone, xylene,
covalizer into a beer bottle and then into my gas tank(I eventulally scored
a long neck funnel but the lager bottle still works best)

im leaving out more im sure but thats a start.  im not pushing this on
un-naturally aspirated motors, but on nat-as cars its done great time&time
again.  i personally had the time and was given the resources so i figured i
would try.  im only the second person/car i know of that adapted this to a
turbo motor and have much to learn.

On 8/22/07, brian hoeft <qweblog at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> youre both right to be pessimistic,  i am as well, and thats why im not
> shouting from rooftops.
>
> but i just got back in and my favorite radio show the 'hour of the time'
> broadcast on www.radiofreevermont.org at 9&10pm EST is about to make its
> 2nd airing and takes priority over responding.
>
> besides me typing this is a great ploy to try to gather more listeners
>
>
>  On 8/22/07, chris chambers <fastscirocco_2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > Brian,
> >
> > color me pessemistic....guess I should be living in the "show me"
> > state.
> >
> > I'm not saying that new technology for current fuels can't be
> > developed.
> > But I can't help but doubt this one.
> >
> > The video claims the gas companies change mixes for basicly no reason.
> > Well different portions of the country mandate different mixes.
> >
> > The video also claims that different brands are different....teh only
> > thing different is additives, they are all pumped through the same
> > pipelines.
> >
> > So please do show me, I'd like to see pics of this installed on
> > your vehicle, and proof the performance of the vehicle didn't suffer.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> >
> > --- brian hoeft <qweblog at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > yes, I edited right..
> > >
> > > through one stretch of the country i almost ran out of gas due to my
> > > sometimes spite my face principles with only shell and BP available.
> > > then
> > > just as i thought i was beaten,,, Flying_J to the rescue.
> > >
> > > as for the 600 mile tank,, thats due to the HAFC (hydrogen assist
> > > fuel cell)
> > > i installed the day before i left.  that tank equalled 30 MPG but the
> > > best i
> > > saw was a little better than that.
> > > im sure i can get better but i didnt install the piggyback ECU that
> > > typically comes with our kit because we sold out at the time (3weeks
> > > ago) ..
> > > anyways, its a decent system but the pre-ignition cat will be the
> > > real
> > > storyteller.
> > >
> > > i wanted to make a long winded testimonial post and will in the
> > > future but i
> > > want more success first. you all can learn more by visiting
> > > www.BWAnetwork.com/home <http://www.bwanetwork.com/home> and clicking
> > to watch the HAFC video.  ive
> > > told the
> > > guys im working with that the videos are a bit corny, but you can get
> > > the
> > > basic idea.
> > >
> > > its really fun stuff, the first car i modded, '98 plymouth breeze,
> > > went from
> > > 38mpg to 77mpg. thats a 75+% increase!  im sure i can get my ursula
> > > above
> > > 30mpg once i install our "O2ptimizer" to prevent the ECU from dumping
> > > fuel,
> > > which it learns to do pretty fast (50 or so miles) and killing my
> > > cat. ..i
> > > also learned you cant clear engine codes while driving (yes im
> > > irresponsible
> > > and tried) only when you stop..
> > >
> > > check it out guys, i could definitely use some feedback from listers
> > > smarter
> > > than myself.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/22/07, elijahallen92 at aol.com <elijahallen92 at aol.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hmm, I put 21 gallons in most of the time when running it all the
> > > way
> > > > down??
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Elijah
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: pkrasusky at ups.com
> > > > To: s-car-list at audifans.com
> > > > Sent: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:15 pm
> > > > Subject: Re: [s-cars] 470 miles on one tank of gas!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Chris sputtered and Stott guessed:
> > > >
> > > > <<<Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:43:27 -0400
> > > > From: "Stott Hare" < stott at gwi.net>
> > > > Subject: Re: [s-cars] 470 miles on one tank of gas!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I think the 21 gallon spec in the manual is for a front drive
> > > 100/A6.
> > > > The
> > > > Quattro should have something like an 18.5 gallon tank IIRC.
> > > >
> > > > -Stott
> > > > 95 S6A>>>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It's 19.5 gallons.  Sooooooooo, how many here have filled the
> > > injector
> > > > rail before?  I'd once squeezed like 20.001 into my UrS6, and high
> > > 19's
> > > > pretty often.  Yeah I know I'm a dolt - so?
> > > >
> > > > -Paul cutting it close and sometimes not making it at all K.
> > > >
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