[s-cars] 92 (early) S4 no start (now not "kinda")

[Mark Strangways]

Kinda have to agree..
144K on original fuel pump is damn good and replacing it is just 
circumventing the inevitable anyways.

I fucked around with this ,and that , and then I replaced the fuel pump and 
was done with it.
Really, in these days what lasts that long anyways.............

just my 2 cents worth.. YMMV etc etc,,

Mark
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Powers" <sbpowers at gmail.com>
To: <theringmeister at triad.rr.com>
Cc: <s-car-list at audifans.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: [s-cars] 92 (early) S4 no start (now not "kinda")


> one would think. however...
>
> I found a broken wire in the harness to the crank sensor. it had
> broken yet occasionally made contact. intermittent run-no run.
>
> sounded to me (and others) like classic fuel pump symptoms. I bypassed
> the FP with results like yours. I replaced the FP. still no worky...
>
> 'twas a bitch!
>
> if you have access to a spare sensor it would be worth trying. if not,
> it's fielder's choice.
>
> sp
>
> On Dec 13, 2007 8:47 PM,  <theringmeister at triad.rr.com> wrote:
>> screwdriver and about 30 seconds to remove the hose at the throttle body. 
>> I have never had to use starting fluid before, and not knowing how potent 
>> it was i figured I'd get it as close to the engine as possible.
>>
>> The lazy bastard in me is tired of troubleshooting, and from what I've 
>> read, if my car has 144K miles on it and it's the original fuel pump, I'm 
>> on borrowed time anyway.  If it wasn't the fuel pump, then the car would 
>> run briefly and then shut off when the fuel pump relay was bypassed and 
>> 12v was sent to the pump itself, right?  Just like it did with starting 
>> fluid.....
>>
>> Since it didn't...I'm of the opinion the pump's the culprit.
>>
>> --
>> Wylie Bean
>> TheRingmeister at triad.rr.com
>> 90 cq
>> 91 90q20v sport
>> 92 UrS4
>> 01 allroad
>>
>>
>>
>> ---- Steve Powers <sbpowers at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Wow, taking hoses off. Sounds like a lot of work.
>> >
>> > I just pop the hood and use the intake near the radiator. The air goes
>> > to the same place plus there's nothing to unfasten.
>> >
>> > Now you know you are getting air and spark. It's fuel or timing of
>> > fuel, e.g. sensor that determines running state. The lazy bastard in
>> > me says it's easier to test fit a sensor than it is to open the gas
>> > tank.
>> >
>> > but that's just me...  ;)
>> >
>> > Steve Powers
>> >
>> >
>> > On 12/13/07, theringmeister at triad.rr.com <theringmeister at triad.rr.com> 
>> > wrote:
>> > > I'll certainly consider it Matt. Thanks for the heads-up. It's a 
>> > > tricky
>> > > thing getting the can of starting fluid in between the hose and the 
>> > > throttle
>> > > body while holding the throttle open with the other hand so the stuff 
>> > > will
>> > > get into the intake, but it works.
>> > >
>> > > Sent from my BlackBerry(R) wireless device
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: Matt twentyV <matt_20v at yahoo.com>
>> > >
>> > > Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:42:44
>> > > To:theringmeister at triad.rr.com, s-car-list at audifans.com
>> > > Subject: Re: [s-cars] 92 (early) S4 no start (now not "kinda")
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > That's good news Wylie, and I've noted this trick for future 
>> > > reference.  You
>> > > might consider replacing the FPR while the system is depressurized. 
>> > > I'm not
>> > > at all sure it could be a cause of your problem, but then I can't be 
>> > > at all
>> > > sure it isn't- and it is a fairly cheap part.
>> > > -Matt
>> > >
>> > > theringmeister at triad.rr.com wrote: Steve suggested:
>> > >
>> > > spray some ether into the intake. does it start (and run) then?
>> > >
>> > > that can rule out MANY things...
>> > >
>> > > BTDT, replaced the fuel pump (when it wasn't needed)
>> > >
>> > > Steve Powers
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ......so I pulled the intake hose and sprayed some starting fluid 
>> > > into the
>> > > IM and put the hose back on. Car started and ran for about 3 seconds 
>> > > then
>> > > shut off again. Tried again, same result. Looks like fuel (pump) is 
>> > > the
>> > > issue, as I've swapped relays and no change.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks for the advice. I ordered a new pump and fuel filter from 
>> > > FAP99.
>> > > Hopefully it gets here expeditiously.
>> > >
>> > >
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