[s-cars] Shocks and inserts - it's time to change 'em.

[Vincent Frégeac]

Eric,

Fred's comment about refinement is not one to disregard. I installed Boge
TurboGas in my S6 and the ride became really harsh. Boge TurboGas are not
even considered sport shocks but they're really overdamping the soft S6
spring making them harsher than a real sport setup such as the H&R/Bilstein
setup I've tried. I don't know the exact damping of the Bilstein HD but,
AFAIK, it's close to the Bilstein Sport, only for OEM height instead of
lowered, which means calibrated for springs much stiffer than the OEM.

Asking a few questions to reputable supplier to select the proper damping
for the stock springs wouldn't be a waste of time.




Vincent
-----Message d'origine-----
De : Fred Munro [mailto:munrof at sympatico.ca] 
Envoyé : 15 juillet 2007 22:45
À : Eric Phillips; Vincent Frégeac
Cc : s-car-list at audifans.com
Objet : RE: [s-cars] Shocks and inserts - it's time to change 'em.

Eric;

The Bilsteins will go in through the top.

I just installed a set of Sachs Advantage shocks on the rear of my UrS6. I
like them so much I've ordered a pair of front inserts. They give a nice
smooth ride with excellent control - typical good German sports sedan
handling. They are nowhere near as stiff as the Koni's I had in my UrS4 -
but then the S4 handled like a go-kart with the Konis. The S6 is much more
refined with the Sachs :).

I plan on replacing the strut bearings as well, but I was going to do it
with the struts in the car. I figure if I compress the spring and remove the
insert, I should be able to disassemble and reassemble the strut in situ.
I've never done this, so it should be an interesting weekend when I tackle
it. I plan on a full alignment after the job is complete.

Fred Munro
'97 S6

-----Original Message-----
From: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com
[mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com]On Behalf Of Eric Phillips
Sent: July 15, 2007 2:05 PM
To: Vincent Frégeac
Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
Subject: Re: [s-cars] Shocks and inserts - it's time to change 'em.


Thanks for the advice, Vincent.

I also have heard that the Bilstein inserts cannot be installed
through the top hole like the OEM ones - if I choose not to replace
the strut bearing, and just the insert, what is the brand/type of the
OEM replacement?

Thanks again,

Eric

On 7/14/07, Vincent Frégeac <s.sikss at gmail.com> wrote:
> Three words of advice:
> - Torch: I don't know with the special Audi tool, but I've never managed
to
> move the inserts retaining cup with a pipe wrench without plenty of
> penetrating oil _and_ plenty of heat. Last time, a propane torch was
enough,
> but the car was 8 years old, not 13. Small oxy-acetylene can now be found
in
> almost any part store and you'll certainly find other use for it on a '94
> car.
> - ABS Sensor: Bentley says to remove it but I've never manage to remove it
> intact. Unplug it from inside the engine bay then pull the ABS cable and
> leave the sensor attached when you pull out the suspension.
> - Breaker bar: 3 feet minimum, six feet better, to pull the arm control
> down. On reinstall, four hands make the job of inserting the ball joint
pin
> back into the hub much easier.
>
> Otherwise, tools are standard. A marker can help to mark the position of
the
> bolts at the top of the suspension. This way, you can have the alignment
> almost on - mine was dead on - so the car won't have awkward reaction by
the
> time you have the alignment done.
>
> One last thing, you can't have an alignment done with tie-rod end, ball
> joint or bushing shot. So the week-end before the suspension, it may be a
> good idea to check all the suspension and direction links for play or
> cracked rubber. Sway bar bushings are easy while-you're-at-it, tire-rod
ends
> and control arms are another story. They can be easy, or they can take the
> entire week-end by themselves.
>
>
>
>
> Vincent.
>
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com
> [mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com] De la part de Eric Phillips
> Envoyé: 14 juillet 2007 19:05
> À: s-car-list at audifans.com
> Objet: [s-cars] Shocks and inserts - it's time to change 'em.
>
> No, not on the S-car.  But it *is* a '94 100*S* Avant.  :)
>
> C4 is C4, so I figured I'd ask the guys who know.
>
> I want to replace the inserts, strut bearings, boots and shocks.  I'm
> thinking Bilstein HD, but am willing to listen to reasons why I should
> use a different brand.  I'm going to use this as an excuse to buy the
> special Audi tool, instead of using a pipe wrench.
>
> What I need to know are all the "gotchas" from some folks who have
> BTDT.  This is the wife's car, and I don't want it down for more than
> a weekend, if I can help it.  So I want all the tools, parts, lube,
> etc. that I needfor this job BEFORE I begin.
>
> Who wants to take first crack at this one?  :)
>
> TIA,
>
> Eric
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Eric

1995 UrS6 "Silber Geist"
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