[s-cars] Q7 ramblings

Sat Mar 3 09:46:55 EST 2007

Whatever! This whole topic is Q7 ramblings. I gave my opinion on the Q7 
since I drive one and a few others also who have used one. It seems to have 
ran off the topic here  because your comments are outside the topic now, and 
I guess we need another topic to start to continue that argument.

Yes, I used to work for Lexus. I know many Ex-Lexus employess now now 
working for other brands, some even Audi. And from what we know, it isn't 
much to compare and say "WOW" this is a piece a crap. They all have 
problems. If you look at the clients of european brands and Asian brands, 
they 2 different clients. What is an issue to one, is not to the other. 
Thats what I know.

As for all the horrors with what can go wrong with the MMI, all the comments 
made, I have seen none! The only issue is cupholder or fluid spills in the 
MMI panel. What does it do when that happens, either no controls or turns 
off. Thats its! No out of control, high volume screaming at me, electrical 
short circuits, car going to shutdown. And yes, they AC still works after 
all that! Now if anyone begs to differ with an actual MMI experience, please 
tell!

As for statistics, you looked at sales figures, yet MB sell more than Audi 
by large, and they suck on reliability! So what does sales figures tell you 
about how GOOD car is? MB knows this. Why do think you see this new MB AD 
with actual clients telling their experiences and comments on the MB brand?

And, as for being a troll, thank you. I guess I'll have to visit under your 
bridge one day.
Ezveedub

>From: "Taka Mizutani" <t44tqtro at gmail.com>
>To: "Ez Veedub" <ezveedub at hotmail.com>
>CC: DGraber460 at aol.com, quattro at audifans.com, s-car-list at www.audifans.com
>Subject: Re: [s-cars] Q7 ramblings
>Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 13:40:45 -0500
>
>Whatever you say. I don't work for any car company and I don't believe all
>the hype, I believe
>sales figures, my own impressions of the cars and my contemporaries. Sorry
>if what I say doesn't
>jive with your views, I told you before that we disagree.
>
>Just because the q-list and s-car lists are Audi lists, doesn't mean you
>can't discuss other makes
>and models and the merits and disadvantages of them, especially in context.
>
>I guess I just don't go for the whole "it must be great because it's German
>and/or an Audi" thing,
>but rather I evaluate the cars based on the car as it is, not what it is
>necessarily perceived to be.
>
>If you're going to put yourself forth as an expert, why don't you tell us
>your credentials?
>
>Where did you work for Lexus/Audi/whatever and in what capacity?
>
>How does the service on a Lexus compare to an Audi- labor rate, parts 
>price,
>quality of service,
>quality of dealership, warranty issues, etc.?
>
>What are the issues on the Lexus to which you refer? Which model, what 
>model
>year? How does
>that compare to a contemporary Audi?
>
>Taka
>
>
>On 3/2/07, Ez Veedub <ezveedub at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Ha, I guess you must work for them. I used to. Don't believe all the hype.
>>They all have same issues bud.
>>Wasn't this a audi/qauttro/s-car forum??
>>
>>
>> >From: "Taka Mizutani" <t44tqtro at gmail.com>
>> >To: "Ez Veedub" < ezveedub at hotmail.com>
>> >CC: DGraber460 at aol.com, quattro at audifans.com, 
>>s-car-list at www.audifans.com
>>
>> >Subject: Re: [s-cars] Q7 ramblings
>> >Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 10:16:15 -0500
>> >
>> >So what if Lexus doesn't sell well in Europe?
>> >
>> >We're talking about the US market, that's what we've been talking about
>>the
>> >whole time,
>> >along with the reliability and control interfaces of these cars.
>> >
>> >You're taking potshots at Lexus now because you don't have a leg to 
>>stand
>> >on
>> >in that
>> >argument.
>> >
>> >We're not talking about how boring the cars may be to drive
>> >
>> >On 3/2/07, Ez Veedub <ezveedub at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>Things have changed for Lexus, they are now ranked 5th in 07 by 
>>Consumer
>>
>> >>Reports. They were 1st in 06. And MB in at the bottom at 36. Audi is
>> >>ranked
>> >>12th just to let you know. And yes, Lexus sells car very well in the 
>>US,
>> >>and
>> >>ONLY the US. LEXUS (Luxury EXport US)
>> >>Ezveedub
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >From: "Taka Mizutani" <t44tqtro at gmail.com>
>> >> >To: " DGraber460 at aol.com" <DGraber460 at aol.com>
>> >> >CC: quattro at audifans.com, s-car-list at www.audifans.com
>> >> >Subject: Re: [s-cars] Q7 ramblings
>> >> >Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 08:47:48 -0500
>> >> >
>> >> >Except that Lexus does better than MBZ, BMW and Audi and they don't
>>use
>> >>a
>> >> >stupid
>> >> >MMI/iDrive/COMAND system. They are probably the best at gauging the 
>>US
>> >> >market
>> >> >anyway.
>> >> >
>> >> >I think all of this crap that the Germans are foisting on us is
>> >>eventually
>> >> >going to bite them
>> >> >in the butt. Give me the RS5 Clubsport edition- no MMI, manual
>>heat/air,
>> >> >manual transmission,
>> >> >manual seats, no sunroof, no back seat, ceramic brakes, aluminum/CF
>> >>body.
>> >> >:-)
>> >> >
>> >> >BTW, I saw a recent R-M Auction that brought much more reasonable
>> >>prices-
>> >>I
>> >> >think the
>> >> >Barrett-Jackson bubble is going to burst (which is a good thing, as a
>> >>$35k
>> >> >'69 Z-28 is a
>> >> >much better proposition than a $110k car at B-J).
>> >> >
>> >> >Taka
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >On 3/2/07, DGraber460 at aol.com <DGraber460 at aol.com> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > One thing we must remember is that these engineering designs and
>> >> >decisions
>> >> > > are NOT based on the desires of loyalists such as this group. They
>> >>are
>> >>
>> >> > > driven
>> >> > > by  marketing research data. If the "Premium brand" marques are
>> >>moving
>> >> >in
>> >> > > a
>> >> > > given  direction and sales do not drop (and the press praises it),
>>it
>> >> >will
>> >> > > flourish. It is cutting edge. It is market positioning and image.
>> >> > > In  building and
>> >> > > selling high end cars there are 3 critically important  factors:
>> >> > > Image.
>> >> > > Image.
>> >> > > Image.
>> >> > > Long term you have to deliver the goods. But _today_ you must
>>impress
>> >> >and
>> >> > > dazzle with "new" and bragging rights type "stuff", even if that 
>>is
>> >>more
>> >> > > complicated and detrimentally complex.
>> >> > > The "Bangle Butt", I-Drive, and Barrett-Jackson prove that the
>> >> > > buying  public
>> >> > > can be an illogical, image driven, herd of sheep.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I am sort of old school, and love a dash full of switches and 
>>dials
>>
>> >>and
>> >> > > gauges.
>> >> > > Let me control everything and give me a bank of toggle
>>switches  and
>> >>I'm
>> >> >a
>> >> > > happy camper.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Dennis
>> >> > > No longer the  target market!
>> >> > > Denver
>> >> > >
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