[s-cars] How much rust should one expect on a stainless steel exhaust

Wed May 30 22:58:09 EDT 2007

Good evenin'

I am quite sure Stromung does NOT use 409 stainless because Scot Taylor specified a material type with a leading "3 xx.
But to be sure I will call him tomorrow to be accurate.
Hap, please check your facts before spreading such a comment.
regards... Jeff Posto
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   1. Re:  Targa Newfoundland Car Choices (Mark Rivera)
   2. Re:  transmission spacer (Gabriel Caldwell)
   3. Re:  Targa Newfoundland Car Choices (Taka Mizutani)
   4. Re:  transmission spacer (William Perron)
   5.  How much rust should one expect to appear on a stainless
      steel exhaust? (Brian DeWyngaert Jr)
   6. Re:  How much rust should one expect to appear on a stainless
      steel exhaust? (djdawson2 at aol.com)
   7. Re:  How much rust should one expect to appear on a	stainless
      steel exhaust? (CaptMagu at aol.com)
   8.  Help - Can't shift into 1st or 2nd! (JR)
   9. Re:  How much rust should one expect to appear on a	stainless
      steel exhaust? (Mike Fitton)

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 11:41:09 -0400
From: "Mark Rivera" <mrivera at webcats.net>
Subject: Re: [s-cars] Targa Newfoundland Car Choices
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www.targamiata.com

Just FYI...  Here's a Miata being built for the Targa Newfoundland by a
friend of mine who works for Flyin' Miata.  This guy got me into building my
turbo Miata based Locost.

I agree with the Miata as a great choice for a cheap racecar.  I can't think
of anything else that comes very close in terms of reliability, either...

Mark

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[mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com]On Behalf Of Taka Mizutani
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 11:29
To: mlped at qwest.net
Cc: Djdawson2 at aol.com; s-car-list at audifans.com; QSHIPQ at aol.com
Subject: [s-cars] Targa Newfoundland Car Choices

Spec Miata comes to mind-

very reliable
very inexpensive
a used race car will have a full cage, might need to bolt in a passenger
seat.
just need to add a navigator's seat, intercom system and rally computer

A NASA Spec GTI (or whatever that class is called) would also be a good,
inexpensive choice.

Either of these cars are cheap enough that if you wrecked badly, it wouldn't
break the bank to walk away.

Justusson's idea of a 5ktq in full race trim (caged and gutted) with a
chipped MC would be fine, although a bit
large, depending on how tight the roads are.

Taka

On 5/30/07, MLP <mlped at qwest.net> wrote:
>
> Scott - having survived the OLOA (had several very near misses with the
> Jaegermeister bus) and engaged in cleaning old emails and posts of the
> computer this AM, I come across your post below, and it triggers what few
> brain cells the Jaeger's apparently missed.
>
> FWIW, "We" (my OneLap co-driver & I) are thinking of maybe, perhaps,
> possibly doing the Targa Newfoundland, and looking for something car wise
> to
> take and use in there for the Sept, 2008 race.  Let me know if you hear of
> any likely candidates.  Some of the Criteria I'm at least thinking of:
>         -       Does NOT have to be wicked powerful;
>         -       Does NEED to be wicked reliable;
>         -       Would like "semi-disposable" i.e., doesn't cost an arm or
> a
> leg to walk away from;
>         -       will need to come with, or have a cage etc. and
> appropriate
> seats in, or put in it.
>
> And I'm certain there's a lot of other stuff I haven't even thought of
> yet.
> :-)
>
> Cheers, Mike
>
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 16:54:34 -0700
From: "Gabriel Caldwell" <gabriel at ts.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: [s-cars] transmission spacer
To: "Martin Baggenstos" <martin.baggenstos at gmail.com>,
	<s-car-list at audifans.com>
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What are you talking about?  Assuming you are using a clutch meant for a
UrS, you throw that EDU spacer away and bolt the EDU up.  I have an EDU
6-speed in my 92 S4.

Gabriel Caldwell

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[mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baggenstos
Sent: May 29, 2007 12:13 PM
To: s-car-list at audifans.com
Subject: [s-cars] transmission spacer

Does anyone happen to know who would sell or could make a spacer that
would
fit an EDU 6 speed tranny onto my urs6. I appears that if I could find a
spacer that would fit, it would bolt on with longer bolts without having
to
shave the inside on the transmission. If anyone knows of someone, I
would
appreciate it. Thanks.

Martin
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 13:35:13 -0400
From: "Taka Mizutani" <t44tqtro at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [s-cars] Targa Newfoundland Car Choices
To: "Mark Rivera" <mrivera at webcats.net>
Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
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One other choice that I just came up with- mid '90s GC8 Subaru Impreza. They
can be had for pretty cheap as long as it's not a 2.5RS, and you can have a
pretty decent handling Impreza with a lot of bolt-on suspension parts. The
2.2s aren't complete dogs, 2.5s are decent (other than the head gasket
issue), avoid the early 1.8s. Short wheelbase, AWD, very tossable and pretty
tail-happy cars.

Pretty much all of the JDM STi stuff bolts on. You could go as far as
putting in a USDM 2.5L STi EJ257 and have a monster of a little car running
a stock 300/300 hp/tq. and a nice 6-speed.

Pretty cheap to buy the base chassis, costs a lot to prep, though.

Taka

On 5/30/07, Mark Rivera <mrivera at webcats.net> wrote:
>
> www.targamiata.com
>
> Just FYI...  Here's a Miata being built for the Targa Newfoundland by a
> friend of mine who works for Flyin' Miata.  This guy got me into building
> my
> turbo Miata based Locost.
>
> I agree with the Miata as a great choice for a cheap racecar.  I can't
> think
> of anything else that comes very close in terms of reliability, either...
>
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com
> [mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com]On Behalf Of Taka Mizutani
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 11:29
> To: mlped at qwest.net
> Cc: Djdawson2 at aol.com; s-car-list at audifans.com; QSHIPQ at aol.com
> Subject: [s-cars] Targa Newfoundland Car Choices
>
>
> Spec Miata comes to mind-
>
> very reliable
> very inexpensive
> a used race car will have a full cage, might need to bolt in a passenger
> seat.
> just need to add a navigator's seat, intercom system and rally computer
>
> A NASA Spec GTI (or whatever that class is called) would also be a good,
> inexpensive choice.
>
> Either of these cars are cheap enough that if you wrecked badly, it
> wouldn't
> break the bank to walk away.
>
> Justusson's idea of a 5ktq in full race trim (caged and gutted) with a
> chipped MC would be fine, although a bit
> large, depending on how tight the roads are.
>
> Taka
>
>
> On 5/30/07, MLP <mlped at qwest.net> wrote:
> >
> > Scott - having survived the OLOA (had several very near misses with the
> > Jaegermeister bus) and engaged in cleaning old emails and posts of the
> > computer this AM, I come across your post below, and it triggers what
> few
> > brain cells the Jaeger's apparently missed.
> >
> > FWIW, "We" (my OneLap co-driver & I) are thinking of maybe, perhaps,
> > possibly doing the Targa Newfoundland, and looking for something car
> wise
> > to
> > take and use in there for the Sept, 2008 race.  Let me know if you hear
> of
> > any likely candidates.  Some of the Criteria I'm at least thinking of:
> >         -       Does NOT have to be wicked powerful;
> >         -       Does NEED to be wicked reliable;
> >         -       Would like "semi-disposable" i.e., doesn't cost an arm
> or
> > a
> > leg to walk away from;
> >         -       will need to come with, or have a cage etc. and
> > appropriate
> > seats in, or put in it.
> >
> > And I'm certain there's a lot of other stuff I haven't even thought of
> > yet.
> > :-)
> >
> > Cheers, Mike
> >
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 10:39:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: William Perron <w_perron at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [s-cars] transmission spacer
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Martin-
I just helped my friend change a clutch in his B5 S4
(2001.5) because of a broken pressure plate spring. 
We used the RS4 pressure plate/clutch like you are
planning.  There was a spacer that bolted between the
transmission and the engine --it was approximately
1/2" thick and spaced the transmission back a bit.  It
definitely was a separate piece from the transmission,
but not really that obvious when things are bolted
together as it matches the shape of the transmission. 
Perhaps your used EDU transmission did not come with
this and it would solve your problem?  I don't have
access to ETKA right now--but I'm sure you could find
the PN in there.
-Bill Perron

>Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 15:13:26 -0400
>From: "Martin Baggenstos"
><martin.baggenstos at gmail.com>
>Subject: [s-cars] transmission spacer
>To: s-car-list at audifans.com
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>
>Does anyone happen to know who would sell or could
>make a spacer that would fit an EDU 6 speed tranny
>onto my urs6. I appears >that if I could find a
>spacer that would fit, it >would bolt on with longer
>bolts without having to shave the inside on the
>transmission. If anyone >knows of someone, I would
>appreciate it. 
>Thanks.
>
>Martin

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 16:37:06 -0400
From: "Brian DeWyngaert Jr" <brian.dewyngaert.jr at gmail.com>
Subject: [s-cars] How much rust should one expect to appear on a
	stainless	steel exhaust?
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Just out of curiousity how much rust should accumulate on the
stainless steel exhaust systems.  I understand that all metals rust at
somepoint but what is the general accepted level of surface rust over
say 1 light winter or there after?

Cheers,
Brian D
Northern VA 94 S4 w/ a slightly rusty coated exhaust

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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 17:13:13 -0400
From: djdawson2 at aol.com
Subject: Re: [s-cars] How much rust should one expect to appear on a
	stainless steel exhaust?
To: brian.dewyngaert.jr at gmail.com, s-car-list at audifans.com
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Depends on the stainless.? 304 will typically only turn tan-ish.? 316 typically "blues" a little, but that's about it.? Lower grades (309) will rust more rapidly, but it will still take extremely long to actually decay to any significant extent.? I believe the stock downpipes are 309.

Dave

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Subject: [s-cars] How much rust should one expect to appear on a stainless steel exhaust?

Just out of curiousity how much rust should accumulate on the
tainless steel exhaust systems.  I understand that all metals rust at
omepoint but what is the general accepted level of surface rust over
ay 1 light winter or there after?
Cheers,
rian D
orthern VA 94 S4 w/ a slightly rusty coated exhaust
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 18:43:33 EDT
From: CaptMagu at aol.com
Subject: Re: [s-cars] How much rust should one expect to appear on a
	stainless steel exhaust?
To: Djdawson2 at aol.com, brian.dewyngaert.jr at gmail.com,
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Dave and Brian

If we're talkin Stromung, that system is made of 409 which has the least 
anti-corrosive properties. Try and put a magnet up to a Stromung, it will pull. I 
just saw the new Saridea exhaust on Tom Franklin's car that is full 304 and 
feature 3 v-band clamps with a 300 cell metallic catalytic converter. He's also 
got the new KW coil-overs and they are very sexy. Another aspect to this car 
is the fully built engine with lots of shiney parts oooooooooo. I'll try and 
get some pics tomorrow.

Hap, wit dakine exhaustin research not from Evahboost, Maguire

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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 18:54:52 -0500
From: JR <audiurs4 at mailforce.net>
Subject: [s-cars] Help - Can't shift into 1st or 2nd!
To: s-car-list at audifans.com
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It happened all of a sudden with no warning.  Stopped at a light an then 
couldn't get the car into 1st or second.  Had to drive from 3rd gear to 
limp home.  Reverse, 3rd, 4th and 5th work fine.  I can't even move the 
shifter in the positions that 1st and 2nd occupy.  It's like something 
is blocking it.  Anyone run into this before?

Thanks,

JR

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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 20:53:01 -0400
From: Mike Fitton <rfitton at vt.edu>
Subject: Re: [s-cars] How much rust should one expect to appear on a
	stainless steel exhaust?
To: CaptMagu at aol.com
Cc: Djdawson2 at aol.com, s-car-list at audifans.com
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409?!  My hopes are all dashed.  Okay, so who makes a 3" mandrel-bent 
turbo-back with a decent cat and acceptable noise level out of 304 or 
better?  I checked Saridea's site and didn't see any mention of 
theirs...not that that means they don't make one.  I think Jason Petek 
makes a 3.5" too...don't know the details but maybe it's time to look a 
little harder at that.

Man...409...so disappointed.

-Cheers!
Mike

CaptMagu at aol.com wrote:
> Dave and Brian
>
> If we're talkin Stromung, that system is made of 409 which has the least 
> anti-corrosive properties. Try and put a magnet up to a Stromung, it will pull. I 
> just saw the new Saridea exhaust on Tom Franklin's car that is full 304 and 
> feature 3 v-band clamps with a 300 cell metallic catalytic converter. He's also 
> got the new KW coil-overs and they are very sexy. Another aspect to this car 
> is the fully built engine with lots of shiney parts oooooooooo. I'll try and 
> get some pics tomorrow.
>
> Hap, wit dakine exhaustin research not from Evahboost, Maguire
>
>
>
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