[s-cars] SPAM WARNING!: Re: Fire in Aux Relay Panel II - HelpRequested

Sun Feb 3 07:27:33 PST 2008

I assumed that he was speaking of the FWD models, as I'd venture a guess
even with the Haldex on the "new" Passats, they wouldn't have been hampered
by snow, even while wearing the ubiquitous No-Season tires they come with.
Stopping and turning would still be an issue, however.

FWIW, my brother was complaining that he couldn't go anywhere in his
slushbox Mazda 6 with 4 year old Michelin Pilot Alpins, his traction control
was kicking in hard, and he had to get a running start to get up the hill to
his parking area at work. I advised him to get new winter tires (4 years is
a bit long in the tooth), to which he ended up with studded Hakka 5s. Now I
get no more complaints, TG. So I'd venture that loaner Passat would've done
fine with an appropriate set of tires.

LL - NY

On 2/3/08, Wylie Bean <theringmeister at triad.rr.com> wrote:
>
> I think the loaner Passout he had was FWD, not AWD?
>
> It's kinda funny that sometimes we forget much else exists.
>
> I (we) have 5 vehicles right now, all of them AWD, and don't even live in
> the snow belt.
>
>
>
> Wylie Bean
> 90 cq
> 91 90q20v
> 92 UrS4
> 01 allroad
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Pasqualoni, James E" <james.pasqualoni at gs.com>
>
> Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 08:01:52
> To:"Pasqualoni, James E" <james.pasqualoni at gs.com>, <UrS4 at sympatico.ca>,<
> munrof at sympatico.ca>
> Cc:s-car-list at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] SPAM WARNING!: Re: Fire in Aux Relay Panel II - Help
>         Requested
>
>
> Sorry guys-meant to reply to the 08 Passat thread...
> James Pasqualoni
> Boston Global Advisors
> T: 617-204-2406
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com <s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com>
> To: UrS4 at sympatico.ca <UrS4 at sympatico.ca>; munrof at sympatico.ca <
> munrof at sympatico.ca>
> Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> Sent: Sun Feb 03 07:57:37 2008
> Subject: SPAM WARNING!: Re: [s-cars] Fire in Aux Relay Panel II - Help
> Requested
>
> My experience is much different. Exiwife has a '03 passat 4motion wagon.
> Even with all-seasons on it, the thing was a tank in the snow. I could
> literally drive the thing down the road in a drift, it was so stable and
> predictable. I suggest your issues may be related to tires...
>
> James Pasqualoni
> Boston Global Advisors
> T: 617-204-2406
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com <s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com>
> To: Fred Munro <munrof at sympatico.ca>
> Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> Sent: Sat Feb 02 14:04:45 2008
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] Fire in Aux Relay Panel II - Help Requested
>
>
> Hi Fred,
>
> Hit it on the nose about the remote key.  Re-synced it and it's working
> fine again.  The inside of the car *really* stinks.  Looks like splicing
> new wiring in is going to be fun.  There is no slack at all in the
> wiring and it's going to be tight to work in.
>
> Dave
>
>
> Fred Munro wrote:
> > Dave;
> >
> > This relay is a common problem in the UrS cars. I haven't heard of them
> > catching on fire before, but they do fail and cause a continuous current
> > drain that will kill the battery if the car sits for a few days. That
> > happened to my UrS4, and I disabled the circuit by pulling the circuit
> > breaker for the auto window close.
> >
> > This relay doesn't affect the normal power window operation; it's
> function
> > is to autoclose any open windows or the sunroof when you lock the car.
> It
> > has nothing to do with the IR locking system.
> >
> > Guys, this is a heads-up for those with auto-close relay issues. Looks
> like
> > the end-point of this relay failure can be a fire, so it might be
> prudent to
> > pull the breaker or the relay if you don't use the auto-close feature.
> Of
> > course, if you can't remember to close your windows....
> >
> > Dave, try Chris at Force 5 Auto. He always has a few UrS cars under the
> > knife and should be able to supply the parts you need. The Audifans
> > Marketplace seems to have at least a couple of UrS cars listed as being
> > parted out, so that is another source of parts.
> >
> > A downside to always using the remote to lock and unlock the car is that
> the
> > lock cylinders corrode and seize up from lack of use. The fix is to
> remove
> > the lock cylinder, take it apart, clean up the pins, cylinder and
> housing,
> > lube it well, and put it back together. It's a bit of a PITA because you
> > have to remove the window carrier to get the lock cylinder out
> (actually, to
> > get it back in, you can get it out with the carrier in place if you are
> > creative). I'm not using my remote this winter and making sure I use
> both
> > locks because I went down this road with the UrS4 and don't need to see
> that
> > scenery again. I actually took a set of photos with the intention of
> writing
> > a "How-to" but never did get around to it.
> >
> > Try re-coding your IR system using the Bentley procedure - it may have
> lost
> > the coding when the battery was disconnected. Leaving the car idle for a
> > week will also shut down the IR system (to reduce battery drain) and
> you'll
> > have to recode it.
> >
> > HTH. Glad you were able to save the car - quick thinking!
> >
> > Fred Munro
> > '97 S6
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com
> > [mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com]On Behalf Of Dave Ellis
> > Sent: February 2, 2008 5:59 AM
> > To: s-car-list at audifans.com
> > Subject: [s-cars] Fire in Aux Relay Panel II - Help Requested
> >
> >
> >
> > So I go to leave late from work last night and I'm greeted with a faint
> > burning smell in the car.  Start the engine and the cabin quickly fills
> > with toxic smoke, and I can see flickering light reflecting from flames
> > somewhere in the driver's side foot well.
> >
> > Nice.
> >
> > After using an extinguisher and frantically unbolting the rear seat to
> > disconnecting the battery, I spend the next hour and a half
> > disassembling the kick panels outdoors while it snows heavily, with wind
> > drifting snow into the car while I try to work.  In the dark.  Fun
> (not!).
> >
> > Turns out either one of the relays or relay sockets in the driver's side
> > lower kick panel caught fire, completely burning through socket, relay
> > plate, most of the way through the relay, and a few inches down the
> > wiring harness.
> >
> > The patient is a '93 S4.  So now I need to track down a replacement
> > relay, relay plate, relay socket, and preferably a few inches of wiring
> > attached to the socket to splice into what's left of the wiring (I had
> > to cut out the burnt sections to avoid a short, about 3 inches worth).
> >
> > Here's what I was able to find out about the relay:
> >
> >    From the top of the Relay (what was left of it):
> >    ------------------------------------------------
> >    218 (in white letters on top)
> >    89 99 70
> >    12V 20/50A
> >    895 951 254
> >
> >    Bentley Manual:
> >    ---------------
> >    Auxiliary Relay Panel II
> >    Relay Position 3: "Automatic Window Closing Relay, J261
> >    Page 97-9, and Wiring Diagram (no page ref)
> >
> >    ETKA 7:
> >    -------
> >    Illustration 937-70, POS 8
> >    Part Number 8A0 951 253 A
> >    Description:
> >      "contact close relay for electric window regulators
> >       for vehicles with comfort wiring.  Relay Location: 3"
> >
> >
> > So what else does this do besides the "one touch down" feature for the
> > front power windows?
> >
> > A possibly related problem I need to track down is that the infra-red
> > remote key now no longer appears to work.  Can't lock/unlock the doors
> > with it.  I don't know if it's related or not, but I'm also unable to
> > lock or unlock the driver's side door using the key in the lock.  The
> > lock mechanism is either jammed or frozen.  The lock/unlock button on
> > the interior doors still works though.
> >
> > I can't say if the mechanical lock has ever worked.  Had the door
> > replaced two years ago after someone backed into it in a parking lot.  I
> > can't remember ever actually using the key in the lock since then.
> >
> > Anyone know how this burnt relay might affect the remote locking
> feature?
> >
> > Any ideas why this particular relay would have suddenly decided to burn
> up?
> >
> > Thanks for any suggestions or insight you can offer!
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > '93 UrS4
> > '99.5 A4 1.8t
> >
> >
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