[s-cars] CEL came on while driving, won't restart found code 4411 - HELP! :-)

Wed Feb 20 09:07:00 PST 2008

Piece of cake, Chris.  The wires on the bbmacao sensor will require
you to re-use some of the wiring out of the plug.  I recommend you
carefully check that it has continuity even when flexed.

With the lock carrier, serpentine belt, tensioner and fan removed, you
have pretty good access.  Zip tie the belt to the pulley, loosen the  
bolt,
then the tensioner and ease the pulley off.  I don't think you can  
slip a
tooth on the lower pulley if you tried, but I tied it off to the side  
with a
bungee just to keep tension on it.

So, this means you are not running a group buy?  :-)

Tom

On Feb 20, 2008, at 11:31 AM, chris chambers wrote:

> Tom,
>
> I have just the sensor coming, my understanding is that I'll have to
> move it over to the old sensor's bracket and splice in the plug.
>
> That part doesn't cause any alarm, making sure the TB doesn't move,
> and not damaging the pulley are my concerns.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> --- Tom Green <trgreen at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> I agree with that, Chris.
>>
>> It would have to be low fuel pressure to cause a no start and that
>> would
>> require additional cranking to get the pressure up when starting --
>> doesn't
>> fit the symptoms, doctor.  You can loosen a fitting at the fuel
>> filter to judge
>> pressure in the system with the engine off by the amount of spray,
>> but not
>> too much point in that here.
>>
>> Injector maintenance usually is done for poor mileage or performance
>> and maybe hard starting but not this.  I would have some o-rings
>> available
>> before pulling any since they can get hard over time and tear when
>> removing the injectors. I'm not minimizing the importance of injector
>> maintenance, and it may cure your stumble but not your no-start.
>>
>> I have never heard of an intermittent flywheel pin.  It's either
>> there or not.
>>
>> The symptoms of CEL illuminating and car won't restart when shut off
>>
>> until
>> a significant time period elapses all fit the CPS failure, code or
>> not.  My
>> original CPS wiring broke where the hard covered wires were doubled
>> back and zip-tied near the connector.  The warm engine caused the
>> break
>> to open, cool it off and it worked normally.  I had the code to
>> confirm the
>> problem.
>>
>> Are you getting a sensor or the entire bosch part?
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> On Feb 20, 2008, at 10:20 AM, chris chambers wrote:
>>
>>> Gentz,
>>>
>>> I just went out to the car, it started with no hesitation.
>>> This leads me to believe it's not a fuel pressure problem as
>>> it hardly cranked and started.
>>>
>>> There was the suggestion that it could be a damaged flywheel pin,
>>> which
>>> I hadn't thouught of because the car stays running and seems to
>>> re-start
>>> after sitting for about an hour.
>>>
>>> Any ideas?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> --- theringmeister at triad.rr.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> When it's running and the CEL comes on, have you tried messing
>> with
>>>> the leads to the injector itself?  This is a weird one, no doubt.
>>>>
>>>> Is there a stumble when the CEL comes on, or any other sign of
>>>> trouble?  If you pull the lead for injector 1 with the car running
>>>> and the CEL on, does it run any worse?
>>>> --
>>>> Wylie Bean
>>>> TheRingmeister at triad.rr.com
>>>> 90 cq
>>>> 91 90q20v sport
>>>> 92 UrS4
>>>> 01 allroad
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---- chris chambers <fastscirocco_2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> Tom,
>>>>>
>>>>> There was just the one code, 4411.
>>>>> Car will stay running all day if you don't shut it off.
>>>>> But if I get the CEL I know when I shut it off it own't restart.
>>>>> Let the car sit long enough and it will restart, sometimes this
>>>>> is an hour, othertimes longer.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is a stumble at 3-4k rpm which I've believed was a coil
>>>>> and was planning on getting a replacement coil. Now I'm thinking
>>>>> I should swap out fuel injector #1 to see if the stumble goes
>> away.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do have a CPS on it's way and plan on replacing it this
>> weekend,
>>>> but
>>>>> until then I still need the transportation.
>>>>>
>>>>> What else could cause this problem?
>>>>>
>>>>> IT has been recommended I check:
>>>>>
>>>>> Fuel pump relay - but the car keeps running unless I shut it off.
>>>>> Fuel pump fuse - again car stays running
>>>>> Fuel pump pressure while it's acting up - how would I do this?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your help
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- Tom Green <trgreen at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You didn't mention a 2111 fault code, Chris.  Perhaps you just
>>>>>> glossed
>>>>>> over it because you expected it with the engine not running?  Or
>>>> does
>>>>>> your ECU normally not store that code?  I'm just thinking maybe
>>>> there
>>>>>> are other codes that it doesn't retain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If it was a fuel related problem, and the CEL illuminated, I
>>>> would
>>>>>> expect
>>>>>> to see some O2 sensor faults triggered if the light is remaining
>>>> on
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> the car is up to normal operating temperatures.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're not getting much help from the car on diagnosis.  I
>> really
>>>>>> don't
>>>>>> know what to think about all the reports of faulty CPS without a
>>>>>> fault
>>>>>> code stored.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would make sure there is good fuel pressure at the rail during
>>>>>> these
>>>>>> no start episodes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 05:39:30 -0800 (PST)
>>>>>>> From: chris chambers <fastscirocco_2000 at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: [s-cars] CEL came on while driving,	wont restart found
>>>>>> code
>>>>>>> 	4411- HELP! :-)
>>>>>>> To: Scar <s-car-list at audifans.com>
>>>>>>> Message-ID: <974293.77128.qm at web65406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gentz,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh so fun news this morning, I'm headed to Toledo
>>>>>>> from Kalamazoo when the CEL light comes on. I have
>>>>>>> a CPS on it's way and decide it's not worth
>>>>>>> gambling having the car not start when I'm so far
>>>>>>> from home.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Turn around and head back, shut the car off and
>>>>>>> it won't restart. I read the codes and find
>>>>>>> code 4411, which per www.sjmautotechnik.com is:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 4411 (Blink Fault Code), 01249 VAG1551/2 Fault Code Number
>>>>>>> Fuel Injector for Cylinder 1, (N30)
>>>>>>> Open or short circuit, +12V supply circuit breaker or fuse open
>>>>>>> Symptom: Engine runs rough or stalls
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK, this doesn't seem to explain the car not
>>>>>>> restarting, I alreayd have a CPS on it's way is
>>>>>>> there something else I should be looking at?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do have a set of stock fuel injectors, should
>>>>>>> I swap out fuel injector #1?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sure could use some help on this as I have to
>>>>>>> drive to Toledo 2-3 times a week and need to
>>>>>>> cure this no restart problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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