[s-cars] NAC: He Said "Scirocco!"

[LL - NY]

Guess that the European Car article was wrong then, 'cuz that's what it
said. Hmmm, guess I'm not looking at an 16V A1 or A2 cars then (like I was
going to bother anyway).

LL - NY

On 11/30/08, Peter Schulz <pcschulz at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Larry:
> I had the same failure mode on my early 1986 16v Scirocco.....
>
>
> -Peter
> At 10:00 PM 11/30/2008 -0500, LL - NY wrote:
>
>> Mark,
>>
>> Yup, knew that. When they rebuilt it, they used the older (pre-JT) pinion
>> shaft and circlip. Guess the labor rates around upstate NY in 87 were
>> significantly less than Chicago. I'm sure things would've been different
>> had
>> I been in the Greater NYC region.  And, the stupid flaw was confined to
>> only
>> the close ratio 8V gearboxes. One of my friends (and former member of our
>> SCCA region) had his gearbox self machine on the way to Nationals in his
>> Jetta Wolfsburg. He rebuilt the tranny in the hotel parking lot (I'm sure
>> the management must've loved the mess of gear oil) and went on to trophy
>> at
>> Nats. Yes, dumb design to save a few cents. Wasn't one of VAG's more
>> brilliant decisions. I just don't think other mfgs are immune from just as
>> stupid decisions, only we're more aware of VAG's mistakes as a part of
>> this
>> forum.
>>
>> LL - NY
>>
>> On 11/30/08, mtgadbois at aol.com <mtgadbois at aol.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >  Larry,
>> >
>> > The design flaw was that VW replaced a cir-clip in the transmission with
>> a
>> > pop-rivit.  Either of them was to hold in a set of
>> > gears on a shaft.  What happens is that the pop rivit wears down and the
>> > gears slide off the shaft and through the tranny case.
>> > In my case, I complained to the zone rep (44K miles) and VW paid for 1/2
>> of
>> > the cost.  My job was originally quoted at $3K.
>> > When VW entered the picture the prices fell to VW rates, namely $2200.
>>  My
>> > cost was 1/2 or $1100. I guess the prices are higher in
>> > Chicago but this was 1986!  With this level of design expertice at VW I
>> > decided to no longer buy their products.  BTW, this type
>> > of problem was documented in European Car Magazine in the 1980's.
>> >
>> > Mark near Chicago
>> >
>> >
>> >  -----Original Message-----
>> > From: LL - NY <larrycleung at gmail.com>
>> > To: mtgadbois at aol.com <mtgadbois at aol.com>
>> > Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
>> > Sent: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 11:36 am
>> > Subject: Re: [s-cars] NAC: He Said "Scirocco!"
>> >
>> >  I too had an A2 GTi, which ate it's tranny. Turns out that was a design
>> > flaw that VW sort of half covered (gave me $500 towards an $1100
>> rebuild) at
>> > 50K miles. Other than that, the car was (reasonably, yeah, there were
>> broken
>> > plastic bits) durable right up until a storm felled tree landed on it 14
>> yrs
>> > and 110K heavily autocrossed miles later. If Paulie does post contact
>> info,
>> > I'm actually half serious. $800 for that sort of raw fun (not too
>> mention 87
>> > octane mid-high 20 MPG flailing it as hard as you can) works for me.
>> >
>> > LL - NY
>> >
>> > On 11/29/08, mtgadbois at aol.com <mtgadbois at aol.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> To you buyers,
>> >>
>> >> This thread does not seem to die so I'll add my 2 cents.
>> >>
>> >> I, too, had a 1981 Scirocco S, white with red interior.
>> >> It was a bucket of rust. I bought it new and sold it in
>> >> 1986 to get a new GTI.  The GTI ate its tranny and that
>> >> was the last time I ever looked at owning a VW. Both cars
>> >> were a lot of fun but hardly durable.
>> >>
>> >> Mark near Chicago
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 14:12:32 -0800
>> >> From: "Jack Walker" <jack at walkerperformancegroup.com>
>> >> Subject: Re: [s-cars] NAC: He Said "Scirocco!"
>> >> To: "'Ben Swann'" <benswann at verizon.net>, <pkrasusky at ups.com>,
>> >>     <robert.rossato at hs.utc.com>, <larrycleung at gmail.com>
>> >> Cc: krasusky4 at comcast.net, s-car-list at audifans.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I had a 81 Red S, too.
>> >> Loved it until I totaled it on a long left hand sweeper and
>> >> sneezed...drifted into the gravel on the right hand side, over
>> corrected
>> >> and
>> >> it spun backwards into a ditch on the opposite side
>> >>
>> >> There seems to still be some running in some of the SCCA classes?
>> >>
>> >> Jack Walker
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com
>> >> [mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com] On Behalf Of Ben Swann
>> >> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 11:23 AM
>> >> To: pkrasusky at ups.com; robert.rossato at hs.utc.com;
>> larrycleung at gmail.com
>> >> Cc: krasusky4 at comcast.net; s-car-list at audifans.com
>> >> Subject: [s-cars] NAC: He Said "Scirocco!"
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hey, where is this 'rocco?  I want in on the bidding war!
>> >>
>> >> To this day can't believe I sold my '81 sidwinder "S" in 1992  for $1k
>> and
>> >> a
>> >> cell phone
>> >> I never used.  Anyone want a cell phone - you know the 5 lb Motorola
>> >> jobbie?
>> >>
>> >> Ben
>> >>
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