[s-cars] Which SB2

[Harold McComas]

I thought  that black car also had a salvaged title, IIRC??

Vincent, I would think that  several misting coats of a paint (light as 
possible) , would reduce the visibility of the shiny intercooler, without 
adversly affecting performance.

Harold M
Manchester, NH
96 S6 for sale, buy me already

> From: Vincent Fregeac<s.sikss at gmail.com>
> Subject: [s-cars] Which SB2 and Black FMIC for the other SB2? (A "bit
> x 100" too long, sorry, but I'd reallly like your input)
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> Hi S-nuts,
>
> Today, the S-Bitch spirit is gone (closed deal) although her body still 
> lay
> in my driveway. In fact, I really hope the new owner will discover that 
> the
> hot stalling/low compression problem was so easy to fix it was stupid for 
> me
> to sell it. Since it's not mine anymore, may be the audigods will uncurse
> her.
>
> But, to show the car, I had to start it again, smell the interior again,
> feel the leather again, listen to the music of the engine revving again
> (even with totally unbalanced compression even when cold, it still felt 
> like
> music to me) and, even if I have been doing so every 2-3 weeks for the 
> past
> 12 months to keep the engine from rusting, since now she's gone, at least
> her spirit, the experience definitely convinced me I need another one and 
> no
> current Audi can replace this one (Who disagree, just raise your hand and
> then fear the audigods).
>
> So, at first, I was considering Harold's as the only one available I'd 
> like
> to own. BTW, if anyone knows it, email me. I really trust Harold in his
> description but I just learned how one can become sentimental - and 
> biased -
> about his S-car, or forget details he has learn to live with (BTDT today). 
> I
> wouldn't want to make him drive 2-3 hrs to hear me say no at then end.
> Harold's car is my reasonable, not too expensive choice (In fact, that's
> Harold's car that convinced me to get another urS although my bank account
> had no plan for another car until next summer).
>
> But of course, I'm a crazy canuck and an unreasonable, much more 
> expensive,
> choice jumped into my face, thanks to Jamu. Jamu, just hope my bank 
> account
> won't curse you and the 4 generations to come.
>
> You know what Harold's car has in her heart, and it has all what I would
> expect from the perfect, reasonably upgraded, setup, except for the 6 
> speed
> but the other one doesn't have it either. Since you know Harold's, let's
> talk about the other one, since it's apparently not on the S-list, and in
> case you convince me not to buy it as a daily driver my bank account will
> pray for you and the 4 generations to come ;-)
>
> The other potential SB2 is quite a departure from the stock, stealth,
> silver, preacher-car (Yeap, a friend nicknamed the S-Bitch the "preacher
> car"), S-Bitch. Note that the B in SB2 is _not_ for Bitch, I don't want to
> piss off the audigods again and get another cursed S-car. In fact, one of 
> my
> friends even suggested an exorcist before I drive any SB2 home, just in
> case, but I digress. So, the other SB2, black on black, breaths through a
> huge cone filter with heat shield, GT3071, Apikol FMIC, stock AAN (no 5d
> valve job or matched/polished ports or fancy pistons/rods), RS2 EM, and 
> Gen.
> 1 Stromung, is sparked by 034 coils and feeded with green top injectors,
> with a Stage 3+ pacemaker. She rides on anthracite 18" RS4 replicas in
> summer and bronze (!?!) stock 16 Avus in winter, her more or less tasteful
> shoes being supported by blue H&R and Bilsteins, whipped by a SPEC Stage 
> 3+
> clutch and tamed down by Big Reds. Sad but no 6 speeds. Can't have it all.
> I'm not sure if HID or not but that's an easy/cheap one. Everything not
> upgraded has less than 80Kmiles (!!!, will run Carfax to be sure it's not
> too good...), but the price is somewhat according to it.
>
> That's the mouth watering stuff, but here's the concerning stuff. The head
> gasket has been redone less than 50 miles ago because of 2 intake valves
> bent by a slipped T-Belt, but no dent on the pistons (I have seen the
> pictures of the bottom end, head off). The current owner bought the car 
> not
> running (ECU fried and one cylinder no compression), made it run not
> sparring his time but keeping it on the cheap (repaired ECU, head gasket, 
> 2
> used valves from a spare head but not head job AFAIK) and barely drove it.
> He apparently bought it not knowing if to make money on repairs or as a
> keeper and finally decided his bank account won't like him if he keeps it.
> He will drive 400 miles forth and back to show it to me so the HG job will
> have at least "some" mileage to show it has been done properly. Also, the
> thread about the head job is available on the net and apparently he really
> not spared his time when fixing the head/valve problem. One thing that
> concerns me is he first torqued the bolt with oil (with re-torque after
> warm-up) drove it for a few miles (a few WOT pass to make sure there was 
> no
> miss at full pressure) then, when learning the wet torque (w/ oil) is
> totally different than the dry torque (w/ Molly) removed the studs one by
> one to torque and re-torque them with Molly. People on the forum said it's
> OK but I'd like the S-list input on this.
>
> So, that's the other choice. A lot of mouth watering stuff but the too
> recent HG/valve job kind of scares me.
>
> Now, here comes the black FMIC topic:
>
> If you think a black FMIC is futile, just skip the next part.
>
> If I get this kind of "unreasonable" car, she won't probably lean toward 
> the
> stealth style of the S-Bitch. I'm thinking about a uniform, All-Black look
> (remember the New Zealand rugby team), like a
> black-on-black-on-black-on-black-on-black-and-may-be-on-black SB2, i.e.
> having also chrome mouldings, windows, taillights and may be BBK, 
> blackened
> or smoked (with reasonable tinting on windows, and halogen bulbs in
> taillights, I'm not suicidal). But then, there's the full bling aluminium
> FMIC showing through the lower bumper. Black-on-black x5/6 is definitely 
> not
> stealth but the shinny Apikol FMIC showing off through the bumper of an
> All-Black SB2 is definitely too much for me.
>
> So, I was wondering, what about a flat black FMIC? I don't see any problem
> painting it except for the heat exchanger part, since paint doesn't 
> exactly
> improve heat exchange. Would improved emissive heat exchange (because of 
> the
> flat black color) negate the conductive loss caused by the additional 
> paint
> coat? Not sure. In fact, I don't think so. So, I was thinking about black
> anodizing. Since that's what they are doing on electronic radiator, it
> shouldn't be too bad for heat exchange. But what about chipping? Probably 
> a
> thicker coat would do, but it may affect heat exchange and it may 
> skyrocket
> the price of anodizing. Or may be the Apikol FMIC is so much overdesigned
> for a less than 400hp setup that I don't have to care about heat exchange
> and one or two coat of paint won't make any difference. I know I could do 
> a
> before-after temperature measurement, but if I don't like the after 
> result,
> I don't see how I can strip the paint between the fins (High pressure
> solvant cleaning may be, but that's not something easy to find).
>
> The car will probably see some track time, but it will only be occasional
> for the next 2 years since I'm not experienced enough to master such a 
> setup
> on a track and I'd rather learn with my 318is until I really feel I've
> nothing left to learn from a low power car (Previous track experience has
> been almost only ice and snow so I've still a lot to learn on asphalt). On
> the other end, I've smoked the brakes on quite a few rented or borrowed
> cars, to give you an idea of my "reasonable" daily driving style.
> (S-Festers, don't be scary, I've never smoked brakes on a test drive, just
> when I was _not_ testing the car limits). This is just to give you an idea
> of the task the FMIC will have to handle. Not that much, but still some.
>
> So, the real questions are:
>
> - Does anyone with a really happer-sized setup and an Apikol FMIC can tell
> me if it's as happersized as the size of the heat exchanger suggests so 1 
> or
> 2 paint coats don't really matter as long as I stay with a standard GT3071
> setup?
>
> Or, does the owner of the black beast I saw once or twice at the S-Fest 
> can
> chime in and tell me what difference it made in intake temperature when he
> blackened his FMIC? IIRC, the black beast has a flat black FMIC, as well 
> as
> the only black headlight reflector I've seen on a urS (the front part only
> of course, and quite good looking although I may not go that far on the
> black slope).
>
> Or may be it is as simple as the Apikol FMIC can be mounted deep enough 
> that
> the lower bumper grill, with some dremeling, can still fit in front of the
> FMIC.
>
> Any idea will do, I just don't like the idea of the FMIC showing off that
> much.
>
> I know it's a bit soon to ask the question since I didn't even have a look
> at the car but I really don't like the idea of a menacing aluminium FMIC
> through the bumper. Too much bling for me (But black-on-black power 5 is 
> OK,
> don't ask;-). And I don't like the LLTek bumper, except with LLTek side
> skirts to match the bottom profile of the front bumper, but then the rear
> bumper doesn't match the side skirts profile and my bank account has 
> already
> cursed me for the next 4 generations... at least, until I find a matching
> rear bumper and the curse is good for a millennium, so don't even suggest
> it.
>
> So, I would like to have an idea about blackening an FMIC before I ask the
> unreasonable choice's owner to make a 2-3 hrs trip to show me his car. And
> if anyone knows a car in NH that seems to match the description of my
> unreasonable choice, please email me.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Vincent feeling like the Buridan's ass F.
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:11:16 +0800
> From: "JC" <jc at j2c3.com>
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] Which SB2
> To: "'Vincent Fregeac'" <s.sikss at gmail.com>, <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> Message-ID: <DDF7F43CE3A4498DAF7A78BA74DCEEDD at SUPERSONIC>
>
>
> IMO that 2nd car has a giant "CAVEAT EMPTOR PROJECT CAR" warning sign
> painted on it. Current owner has been posting various places about it - he
> seems like a really straight / honest / open guy, not trying to BS anybody
> about any of the issues, but the car sounds like it could have more
> 'downside surprises' lurking from the PO.
>
> Y'know when somebody put pistons in backwards, well, you never know what
> else they mighta done... (BTW torquing the bolts with oil is my least
> concern with that car).
>
> Not that that should stop you (I bought my car expecting 10x more hidden
> $hit to be wrong with it and have just been happily surprised...) Current
> guy sounds well intentioned and reasonably well principled about the work 
> he
> was trying to do on it. It certainly seems like a cheap way to get a 
> project
> platform car with a lot of parts, then step one would be to pick up where
> current owner has left off de-funkifying any of the screwed up stuff.
>
> Here's most of the current owners story if you haven't already seen it...
> http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=22626
>
>
>
>
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