[s-cars] Has anyone replaced fogs with HID pencil beams??

[Lee Levitt]

I'll echo Larry's comments regarding the Micro DEs.

I have a set on my '01 A4. The car has stock Xenon lamps, which 
are about as good as the euro/TT upgrade on my son and wife's 
cars.

The Hellas add a good amount of light in front and to the sides, 
far superior to the stock under bumper mounted projector fogs on 
the A4.

I'm just now adding a set to my '99 A6, again replacing the stock 
under bumper mounted fogs.

I also got a set of the parabolic Hella driving lights, thinking 
about mounting them inboard of the fogs on the A4. The 200s are 
relatively small, and throw out an amazing amount of light.

For a C4 A6 or S6, I'd mount the fogs below the bumper and cut out 
the lower grille. The lens on the Micro DE is small...it won't 
need a big hole and it's pretty easy to mount. I think Don Warren 
had a set of fogs mounted this way on his S6 avant.

HTH,

Lee

On Tue Oct 28 10:10:31 CDT 2008, "Postupack, Jeff" 
<Jeff.Postupack at analog.com> wrote:

> Larry  Great to hear from you this AM.. and now that I read your 
> email,  helps
> a lot.  and it was more important for me to see around corners 
> than distance
> you are right on target with point of importance.. here in NH.  
> After I posted, I did find the mechanical drawing to show Micro 
> DE's are
> way too big to fit inside the lamp.
>  Perhaps I can upgrade my fogs to a better bulb and get wider 
> field of
> view to see Bambi first..  My driving lights idea comes from the 
> I89 route north for 60 miles which
> I drive weekly.  There be the long stretches of new pavement, and 
> in right conditions,
> with Lidatek "a Jammin' and V1 detectin' ...
>  as Bob Seger writes"  Roll me away.. "  Jeff
>  ________________________________
> 
> 	From: LL - NY [mailto:larrycleung at gmail.com] 	Sent: Tuesday, 
> October 28, 2008 11:03 AM
> 	To: Postupack, Jeff
> 	Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
> 	Subject: Re: [s-cars] Has anyone replaced fogs with HID pencil
> beams??
> 	
> 	
> 	Jeff,
> 	
> 	I have Micro DE fogs on my Saabaru (to replace the useless OEM
> ones) and from the size of the housing there is no way for them 
> to fit
> in the same location as the OEM UrS fogs. They are much larger in 
> not
> only housing size but lens aperature. 	
> 	Optically the performance of the lamps is quite impressive as
> fogs. They actually have a bit more reach (on the sides) than the 
> pretty
> decent factory Saabaru headlamps with H1 High Eff + bulbs (~1800 
> lumens)
> so I'd imagine the easier to design (optically) pencil beams 
> would be
> remarkably impressive. At about 200 yards, the spread of the beam 
> is
> easily 300 yards +, very evenly spread. It's such that they are 
> even
> effective when I trigger the high beams, the wide spread beam is 
> still a
> visible enhancement of vision, and it has helped keep me from 
> being
> surprised by the massive local Bambi population lurking around 
> the unlit
> blind hills and curves where I live.
> 	
> 	FWIW, I opted for fogs vs. pencil or flood beams because I, like
> you, live in the middle of nowhere (East Bumf_ _ k for those of 
> you not
> familiar with nowhere, sort of a northern version of Bob Myer's 
> haunt)
> and it was more important for me to see around corners than 
> distance.
> There really aren't enough straightish sections around here to 
> utilize
> the ludicrous speed option of either car, 	you just don't know 
> what's lurking over the next hilltop or
> corner....
> 	
> 	In any event, the Micro DE's are, IMHO, exceptional lamps. Just
> trying to figure out how to effectively mount a set to the //S6 
> without
> owning an FMIC, nor LLtek front valence. 	
> 	HTH, and my $0.02,
> 	
> 	LL - NY
> 	
> 	On 10/28/08, Postupack, Jeff <Jeff.Postupack at analog.com> wrote: 
> 		Hey  How's Da list guys?
> 		
> 		So winter is the time of darkness in NH.. And I wanted
> to add driving
> 		lights.
> 		Drew (my son) and I were driving other night, I
> suggested these as an
> 		ad-on photon source.
> 		
> 	
> http://www.tirerack.com/accessories/hella/micro_de_xenon.jsp
> 		
> 		Was going to bolt them inside the hood (behind grill) ,
> where I found
> 		some factory holes.
> 		(may have to perforate the Kamei grill.)
> 		
> 		Drew suggested I replace the fogs, as my fog lights
> don't do enough to
> 		call it substantial.
> 		
> 		So I'm curious this AM, on any lighting projects you
> guys may have done!
> 		
> 		Note: This S6 has retrofit OEM TT- Xenon lows, Euro
> hella lamps (entire
> 		housing) and H1 highs.
> 		I did change the bulbs using Daniel Stern's
> recommendation.. Still not
> 		enough.
> 		
> 		I'm a sparky so I can figure out the electrical part
> easy enough.
> 		
> 		Then I would have a Low/Medium/High 'quasar' like front
> end.. Switched
> 		by the column stalk.,
> 		Jeff
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