[s-cars] NAC - Benz 300E Questions

Lee Levitt lee at levitts.net
Mon Dec 7 17:14:36 PST 2009 

A 500E for his daughter?

Lee



On Dec 7, 2009, at 6:38 PM, Douglas Landaeta <dlandaeta at gmail.com>  
wrote:

> Some folks don't even know what they have - like someone who took cash
> for clunkers $ on a 500E, just find the 400E original owner facing a
> big mtce bill for say wiring harness, timing chain, AC compressor,
> evaporator or PS pump. Put the mtce time in yourself and you're in for
> a good price and a long reliable ride.
>
> Sent from my mobile
>
> On Dec 7, 2009, at 6:12 PM, "Bruce Mendel" <brucem105 at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> As a guy that has a 560SEL 6.0 AMG DOHC, I can assure you you don't
>> want one. :)
>>
>> The 400E/E420 is a great compromise between speed of 300E and rarity/
>> price of 500E. It's a 275HP V8, great personality on the road, and
>> other than the motor/trans is pretty much the same as the 300E so
>> plentiful parts.
>>
>> Same wiring harness/minor electrical issue as any W124, plus some
>> extra potential issues underhood from heat, as the engine is
>> shoehorned in there.
>>
>> But they're not well know, so can be had pretty cheap.
>>
>> B
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Taka Mizutani"
>> <t44tqtro at gmail.com>
>> To: "Douglas Landaeta" <dlandaeta at gmail.com>
>> Cc: "s-car-list" <s-car-list at audifans.com>
>> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 6:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [s-cars] NAC - Benz 300E Questions
>>
>>
>>> Yeah, but 500Es are rare as hell, Doug.
>>>
>>> I'm talking about "normal" W124s.
>>>
>>> I'd rather have a full AMG 560SEL 6.0 DOHC, oil leaks be damned.
>>>
>>> Taka
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Douglas Landaeta
>>> <dlandaeta at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> W126 = more mtce. $$, less performance, over a W124 with the 8
>>>> cyl. M119
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my mobile
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 7, 2009, at 5:50 PM, Taka Mizutani <t44tqtro at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Just to add, the head gasket issue referenced seems to only appear
>>>> in the
>>>>> 24v engines.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regardless, the W124 is one of the best Benzes in recent history-
>>>>> as for
>>>>> the
>>>>> ride and driving experience, I can't comment. I've thought about
>>>>> getting
>>>>> one
>>>>> myself several times.
>>>>>
>>>>> I personally would prefer a W126 S-Class, though.
>>>>>
>>>>> Taka
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Michael Lardizabal <
>>>>> mikellardizabal at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> .....so true about the torque.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had a 96 C36 AMG that would just rip the tires all day long.
>>>>>> Even w/
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> ASR button ON.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As far as the headgasket...yes the later I-6 motors had a rep of
>>>>>> going
>>>>>> thru
>>>>>> them, but its not too bad a price to pay for what you get in
>>>>>> return. I
>>>>>> think
>>>>>> that once they're done at the typical 110K- 125K mark, they're
>>>>>> good for
>>>>>> maybe more the next time about. I think once the block has gone
>>>>>> thru a
>>>>>> few
>>>>>> heat cycles, the HG isn't as prone .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As far as the 190E, the only one worth any effort is the Cossie,
>>>>>> but I
>>>>>> agree. The interior fit and finish is .....well, at least its a
>>>>>> lightweight
>>>>>> car w/ a dogleg 5 and an intake sound thats insane.
>>>>>> --- On Mon, 12/7/09, Kent McLean <kentmclean at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Kent McLean <kentmclean at comcast.net>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [s-cars] NAC - Benz 300E Questions
>>>>>> To: "s-car-list" <s-car-list at audifans.com>
>>>>>> Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 2:54 PM
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More from the V8 list...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Kent
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>>> Subject: RE: 300E Beater
>>>>>> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:46:06 -0600
>>>>>> From: Brian K. Ullrich <bullrich at ullrichsys.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As usual, Roger has the goods. I do differ on a few points  
>>>>>> though:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The W124 chassis ran from 1984 to 1995. Badged primarily in the
>>>>>> US as the
>>>>>> 300E, it later changed to MB's new badging as the E320, etc. So,
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> covers
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> lot of cars, and differing model numbers, including the diesels,
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> be easily visually distinguished by a fender vent on the right
>>>>>> front.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In my estimation, the best of the W124 cars are the 1993 and
>>>>>> newer. They
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> the post-facelift cars, and include many newer features. I
>>>>>> personally
>>>>>> owned
>>>>>> a 1990 and a 1995 W124 (300E and E320, respectively), and had
>>>>>> little
>>>>>> problems with either, but my 1995 W124 E320 was a smoker. That
>>>>>> i6 was a
>>>>>> torque-making fool. And it got great gas mileage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do differ with Roger on one point about the 190 vs. 300/320: I
>>>>>> feel
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> the 190 is a much inferior car to its larger cousin. The 190 is
>>>>>> known as
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> W201 chassis, and in most US trim, it was equipped with a 2.2l 4
>>>>>> cylinder
>>>>>> motor mated to a 3-speed auto (although the 2.6l 6-cylinders are
>>>>>> available,
>>>>>> and they are equipped with a 4-speed auto). Roger is correct in
>>>>>> his
>>>>>> assessment that a teenager could hardly get into too much
>>>>>> trouble in this
>>>>>> car, because it just ain't fast. However, I feel that this car
>>>>>> is not a
>>>>>> good
>>>>>> choice because those motors revved so high at highway speeds
>>>>>> (around 3K
>>>>>> RPM)
>>>>>> that it just put the engine at risk for failure, especially for
>>>>>> high-mileage
>>>>>> cars. Not to mention the fit and finish, which were just not
>>>>>> really up to
>>>>>> the standards of MB at the time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For my money, if I were to put my teen in a Benz, I'd find a
>>>>>> later model
>>>>>> W124, either diesel or gas, and call it a day. The best inline 6-
>>>>>> cylinder
>>>>>> engine MB ever built was the 3l/3.2l, and coupled with the W124
>>>>>> chassis,
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> think that makes the best sense. Compared to the 190/W201, parts
>>>>>> are more
>>>>>> plentiful, and it's easy to work on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course, this is just my opinion. My esteemed colleague, Mr.
>>>>>> Woodbury,
>>>>>> may
>>>>>> have something else to say on the matter.
>>>>>>
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