[s-cars] NAC - Benz 300E Questions

Mon Dec 7 19:28:01 PST 2009

I have a 9 year old Colorado daughter... wants a Pink Corvette and a faster
snowmobile.  Must be the Q heads I hand out with.  She will probably inherit
my wife's 95 S6, minus the chip!

;-)

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com] On Behalf Of Douglas Landaeta
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 6:48 PM
To: Lee Levitt
Cc: s-car-list
Subject: Re: [s-cars] NAC - Benz 300E Questions

well, that was for Taka and his aspirations on a three-pointed star... As
far as a Colorado teen daughter car, all I can say is I'm glad it's not me
having to make such a decision! not for ay least 7 more years.

On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Lee Levitt <lee at levitts.net> wrote:

> A 500E for his daughter?
>
> Lee
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 7, 2009, at 6:38 PM, Douglas Landaeta <dlandaeta at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Some folks don't even know what they have - like someone who took cash
>> for clunkers $ on a 500E, just find the 400E original owner facing a
>> big mtce bill for say wiring harness, timing chain, AC compressor,
>> evaporator or PS pump. Put the mtce time in yourself and you're in for
>> a good price and a long reliable ride.
>>
>> Sent from my mobile
>>
>> On Dec 7, 2009, at 6:12 PM, "Bruce Mendel" <brucem105 at comcast.net>
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  As a guy that has a 560SEL 6.0 AMG DOHC, I can assure you you don't
>>> want one. :)
>>>
>>> The 400E/E420 is a great compromise between speed of 300E and rarity/
>>> price of 500E. It's a 275HP V8, great personality on the road, and
>>> other than the motor/trans is pretty much the same as the 300E so
>>> plentiful parts.
>>>
>>> Same wiring harness/minor electrical issue as any W124, plus some
>>> extra potential issues underhood from heat, as the engine is
>>> shoehorned in there.
>>>
>>> But they're not well know, so can be had pretty cheap.
>>>
>>> B
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Taka Mizutani"
>>> <t44tqtro at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Douglas Landaeta" <dlandaeta at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: "s-car-list" <s-car-list at audifans.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 6:07 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [s-cars] NAC - Benz 300E Questions
>>>
>>>
>>>  Yeah, but 500Es are rare as hell, Doug.
>>>>
>>>> I'm talking about "normal" W124s.
>>>>
>>>> I'd rather have a full AMG 560SEL 6.0 DOHC, oil leaks be damned.
>>>>
>>>> Taka
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Douglas Landaeta
>>>> <dlandaeta at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  W126 = more mtce. $$, less performance, over a W124 with the 8
>>>>> cyl. M119
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my mobile
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 7, 2009, at 5:50 PM, Taka Mizutani <t44tqtro at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Just to add, the head gasket issue referenced seems to only appear
>>>>> in the
>>>>>
>>>>>> 24v engines.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regardless, the W124 is one of the best Benzes in recent history-
>>>>>> as for
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> ride and driving experience, I can't comment. I've thought about
>>>>>> getting
>>>>>> one
>>>>>> myself several times.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I personally would prefer a W126 S-Class, though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Taka
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Michael Lardizabal <
>>>>>> mikellardizabal at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .....so true about the torque.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I had a 96 C36 AMG that would just rip the tires all day long.
>>>>>>> Even w/
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> ASR button ON.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As far as the headgasket...yes the later I-6 motors had a rep of
>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>> thru
>>>>>>> them, but its not too bad a price to pay for what you get in
>>>>>>> return. I
>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>> that once they're done at the typical 110K- 125K mark, they're
>>>>>>> good for
>>>>>>> maybe more the next time about. I think once the block has gone
>>>>>>> thru a
>>>>>>> few
>>>>>>> heat cycles, the HG isn't as prone .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As far as the 190E, the only one worth any effort is the Cossie,
>>>>>>> but I
>>>>>>> agree. The interior fit and finish is .....well, at least its a
>>>>>>> lightweight
>>>>>>> car w/ a dogleg 5 and an intake sound thats insane.
>>>>>>> --- On Mon, 12/7/09, Kent McLean <kentmclean at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Kent McLean <kentmclean at comcast.net>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [s-cars] NAC - Benz 300E Questions
>>>>>>> To: "s-car-list" <s-car-list at audifans.com>
>>>>>>> Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 2:54 PM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> More from the V8 list...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- Kent
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>>>> Subject: RE: 300E Beater
>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:46:06 -0600
>>>>>>> From: Brian K. Ullrich <bullrich at ullrichsys.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As usual, Roger has the goods. I do differ on a few points though:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The W124 chassis ran from 1984 to 1995. Badged primarily in the
>>>>>>> US as the
>>>>>>> 300E, it later changed to MB's new badging as the E320, etc. So,
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> covers
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> lot of cars, and differing model numbers, including the diesels,
>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> be easily visually distinguished by a fender vent on the right
>>>>>>> front.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In my estimation, the best of the W124 cars are the 1993 and
>>>>>>> newer. They
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> the post-facelift cars, and include many newer features. I
>>>>>>> personally
>>>>>>> owned
>>>>>>> a 1990 and a 1995 W124 (300E and E320, respectively), and had
>>>>>>> little
>>>>>>> problems with either, but my 1995 W124 E320 was a smoker. That
>>>>>>> i6 was a
>>>>>>> torque-making fool. And it got great gas mileage.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do differ with Roger on one point about the 190 vs. 300/320: I
>>>>>>> feel
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> the 190 is a much inferior car to its larger cousin. The 190 is
>>>>>>> known as
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> W201 chassis, and in most US trim, it was equipped with a 2.2l 4
>>>>>>> cylinder
>>>>>>> motor mated to a 3-speed auto (although the 2.6l 6-cylinders are
>>>>>>> available,
>>>>>>> and they are equipped with a 4-speed auto). Roger is correct in
>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>> assessment that a teenager could hardly get into too much
>>>>>>> trouble in this
>>>>>>> car, because it just ain't fast. However, I feel that this car
>>>>>>> is not a
>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>> choice because those motors revved so high at highway speeds
>>>>>>> (around 3K
>>>>>>> RPM)
>>>>>>> that it just put the engine at risk for failure, especially for
>>>>>>> high-mileage
>>>>>>> cars. Not to mention the fit and finish, which were just not
>>>>>>> really up to
>>>>>>> the standards of MB at the time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For my money, if I were to put my teen in a Benz, I'd find a
>>>>>>> later model
>>>>>>> W124, either diesel or gas, and call it a day. The best inline 6-
>>>>>>> cylinder
>>>>>>> engine MB ever built was the 3l/3.2l, and coupled with the W124
>>>>>>> chassis,
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> think that makes the best sense. Compared to the 190/W201, parts
>>>>>>> are more
>>>>>>> plentiful, and it's easy to work on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course, this is just my opinion. My esteemed colleague, Mr.
>>>>>>> Woodbury,
>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>> have something else to say on the matter.
>>>>>>>
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