[s-cars] Teen cars

[LL - NY]

I ought to clarify (re-read what I typed). The neu-Mini would slice through
the 4K or Coupe, not the other way around.  Though no crash test data to
back things up, I'd say the old Saab 99 (and it's spittin' cousin, the
Ur-900) would hold up well, it has a similar frame structure as the past two
generations of Subaru Imprezas. Considering watching rally footage of 99's,
I'd say the structural design worked as well for the early Saabs as they did
for the Imprezas.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 9:23 PM, Taka Mizutani <t44tqtro at gmail.com> wrote:

> If you look at some crash tests, those cars you think will "slice through"
> another car will not.
>
> Look up the fifth gear episode where they crash a Volvo 940/960 or S90 into
> a current Euro NCAP 5 star rated Renault.
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBDyeWofcLY&feature=PlayList&p=8EB36BDBE6506D21&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=41
>
> The Renault slices through the Volvo, not the other way around.
>
> Your best bets will be the newest possible chassis of a top rated car-
> Volvo S40/C30 (current), VW Golf/Rabbit/Audi A3 (A5 or A6), Subaru Impreza
> (either the '02-07 or the current), Audi A4 (B7 or B8), Audi A6 (C6). I
> doubt any listers here are going to buy their children a Subaru Tribeca to
> drive around in, or a '09+ Ford Taurus or a Volvo XC60 or XC90.
>
> The Volvo S40, VW Rabbit and Subaru Impreza are cheap enough as used cars
> to seriously warrant consideration. I would not put kids in a lesser vehicle
> unless I couldn't afford it. On the same note, I wouldn't put my Mom in
> anything other than a top-rated vehicle either.
>
> Taka
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 8:55 PM, LL - NY <larrycleung at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'd agree. I had a 4kq and had to go into the doors for various reasons
>> (window regs, door handles) and I thought the little 1 cm (less than 1/2")
>> diameter "side impact crash bar" of thinwall steel was a joke compared to
>> my
>> earlier vintage Saab 99's heavy extruded 2 cm thickwall square sectioned
>> impact bar.  IF I had to crash a car (and yeah, the 4kq was dynamically
>> superior to the Saab) I would've picked the Saab over the 4kq, hands down.
>> The Saab would slice through a B3-Audi, let alone a neu-Mini. The cars are
>> great fun, dynamically involving, but if it were my kids (not getting into
>> the manual vs. auto debate, the students I work with would get their
>> electronic gear working no matter how involving the drive was), I wouldn't
>> consider them being in a B3. In that vintage, I'd have to go with the
>> Volvo
>> 240 (my roomies did okay with snowies), a Saab 900 (the real ones, the GM
>> ones seem compromised), or the 190 M-B. FWIW, has anyone considered a 2001
>> Subaru Impreza (NOT WRX, that'd be a mistake). A fun dynamically,
>> involving
>> enough, reliable and truly crashworthy vehicle that is cheap to own. Don't
>> know what their current market value is, but it's worth a look see.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:05 PM, erikaddy at yahoo.com <erikaddy at yahoo.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > A cgt is a nice car but as far as crash safety, a 2005 mini would slice
>> > through it like a hot knife through butter.
>> >
>> > Erik Addy
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