[s-cars] S-CAR-List Digest, Vol 64, Issue 60
RM
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Thu Feb 26 07:39:41 PST 2009
Ok, so what are we doing for boodles b-day?
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: ACNA Gruppe-q Steamboat Ice Experience 2009 - Event
Report (pkrasusky at ups.com)
2. Odd clutch behavior..... (Jim Fleischer)
3. Re: Odd clutch behavior..... (djdawson2 at aol.com)
4. Re: Odd clutch behavior..... (John Cody Forbes)
5. Re: Odd clutch behavior..... (John Cody Forbes)
6. Re: Odd clutch behavior..... (djdawson2 at aol.com)
7. Tramlining and tires. (Matthew Russell)
8. Re: Odd clutch behavior..... (John Cody Forbes)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:01:26 -0500
From: <pkrasusky at ups.com>
Subject: Re: [s-cars] ACNA Gruppe-q Steamboat Ice Experience 2009 -
Event Report
To: <s-car-list at audifans.com>, <QSHIPQ at aol.com>
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Scotty skated:
<<<Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:12:49 EST
From: QSHIPQ at aol.com
Subject: [s-cars] ACNA Gruppe-q Steamboat Ice Experience 2009 - Event
Report
Howdy q-heads!
Another sit-down at the confessional already? Alas a solid 3 weeks has
passed since Gruppe-q band of Ice Dancers insurged the Rocky Mountains, and set
up camp in the snow covered Mountains of Steamboat Springs CO. Celebrating my
15th year at this venue, and 7th year as rink choreographer at this fine
venue, the ice was thick, the weather stellar, and the banks unforgiving. We
entertained with a vide variety of Quattros present, from a massively tweeked
ersatz-RS4 to a pristine 4000q, not forgetting the crazy Aussie mustered in
the LT1Q, present and accounted for. Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday the
first week of February turned out to be one of our finer episodes of Dancing on
Ice. Per my usual modus, please find the attached report in my usual "Best
of" format. >>>
Scotty-
Yet another fun read Best Of, chock full 'o prose - some real great visuals there! Speaking of - eagerly await we do pics / vids from aforementioned Mikee Cam yes!
Be interesting to see how all the nuclear storm dust settles for certain 'ones' out that way uh huh. Made their beds it seems - reap what sewn...
Glad to have offered whatever trivial support I could. Only when the shoe fits, and, well...
Somehow, someday - I will 'get there' I will.
Until then - great to hear you guys all enjoying some wild camaraderie like that... so successfully, and for so many years. And (hopefully)... so JNR.
Keep up the good werk out thar.
-Paul
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:43:31 -0700
From: "Jim Fleischer" <jim at almgt.com>
Subject: [s-cars] Odd clutch behavior.....
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Gentz,
The Audi Gods are starting to wake from a long winter's nap and are pestering me to no end........
So, I've got the rear hatch wires taken care of......then an oil change and a temporary coolant leak fix with an elbow piece until I get my hands on an auxiliary water pump..... everything is sealed up nicely, no leaks anywhere, car is up to temp, hop in, and can't get my car in gear. Clutch pedal feels normal, back and forth, 5-10 times, can't get into gear. Turn car off, after a little persuasion and rocking the car back and forth, am able to get into gear. Engage clutch, try to start car, car lurches forward (gear lever in first). Turn off car, try to get out of gear, not easy, but successful. Start car, lever in neutral, all is fine. Engage clutch, can't get into gear. Turn car off, get girlfriend to depress clutch pedal while I look around for clues. Have her depress about 5-10 times, I hear creaking coming from the back of the motor/top of tranny, I wiggle some hydraulic hoses in general direction of creaking noise, I feel "pulsing" in hoses while the clutch ped
al is worked back and forth, I get back in and viola', I have a normal feeling and operating clutch. I drive downtown, everything is back to normal. Car pulls fine, no clutch slip, same pedal feel as before, same engagement point, everything good.
The only thing that might give a clue as to maybe something "froze" somehow is after replacing the after-run pump with the elbow, I washed the area with a small bucket of warm water, as coolant was everywhere (I did have a basin to collect it below, however.) We've had some mild days here in NW Montana, but is had dipped to below freezing last night and part of today. Could water have gotten in somewhere and froze something? I had not driven the car for about 5 days prior to today, as I was pissing coolant.
Any input, much appreciated. I'll go out later tonight and see if it replicates itself.
Thanks!
Best regards,
Jim Fleischer (wishing I had a garage)
'95 s6 avant
'83 ur
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:01:49 -0500
From: djdawson2 at aol.com
Subject: Re: [s-cars] Odd clutch behavior.....
To: jim at almgt.com, s-car-list at audifans.com
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Hey Jim,
Hope you have been well in Montana...
I seriously doubt that any water related issue is the source of your problem.? I would suspect that your slave cylinder is starting to give out.? Pumping repeatedly will usually provide a cure for a while, but eventually the fluid will leak past the seals enough to prevent normal actuation.? I would bet that this behavior will return soon.
Also... you'll want to get the after-run pump back in there as soon as practical.? There's a good reason why Audi turbochargers live a long time, and one of the biggest ones is the fact that there is a good after-cooling system... prevents coking and other bad stuff around the turbo bearing and oil return... FWIW.
Take care,
Dave
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From: Jim Fleischer <jim at almgt.com>
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Sent: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 7:43 pm
Subject: [s-cars] Odd clutch behavior.....
Gentz,
The Audi Gods are starting to wake from a long winter's nap and are pestering me
to no end........
So, I've got the rear hatch wires taken care of......then an oil change and a
temporary coolant leak fix with an elbow piece until I get my hands on an
auxiliary water pump..... everything is sealed up nicely, no leaks anywhere, car
is up to temp, hop in, and can't get my car in gear. Clutch pedal feels normal,
back and forth, 5-10 times, can't get into gear. Turn car off, after a little
persuasion and rocking the car back and forth, am able to get into gear. Engage
clutch, try to start car, car lurches forward (gear lever in first). Turn off
car, try to get out of gear, not easy, but successful. Start car, lever in
neutral, all is fine. Engage clutch, can't get into gear. Turn car off, get
girlfriend to depress clutch pedal while I look around for clues. Have her
depress about 5-10 times, I hear creaking coming from the back of the motor/top
of tranny, I wiggle some hydraulic hoses in general direction of creaking noise,
I feel "pulsing" in hoses while the clutch pedal is worked back and forth, I get
back in and viola', I have a normal feeling and operating clutch. I drive
downtown, everything is back to normal. Car pulls fine, no clutch slip, same
pedal feel as before, same engagement point, everything good.
The only thing that might give a clue as to maybe something "froze" somehow is
after replacing the after-run pump with the elbow, I washed the area with a
small bucket of warm water, as coolant was everywhere (I did have a basin to
collect it below, however.) We've had some mild days here in NW Montana, but is
had dipped to below freezing last night and part of today. Could water have
gotten in somewhere and froze something? I had not driven the car for about 5
days prior to today, as I was pissing coolant.
Any input, much appreciated. I'll go out later tonight and see if it replicates
itself.
Thanks!
Best regards,
Jim Fleischer (wishing I had a garage)
'95 s6 avant
'83 ur
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:13:35 -0500
From: "John Cody Forbes" <cody at 5000tq.com>
Subject: Re: [s-cars] Odd clutch behavior.....
To: "Jim Fleischer" <jim at almgt.com>, <s-car-list at audifans.com>
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Jim Fleischer wrote:
".... Engage clutch, can't get
> into gear. ..."
Sounds like the clutch disc got stuck. I've never heard of one sticking in
such a short time frame, but it's quite common on cars that sit for a little
while. Maybe water in the disc (it's absorbent) froze, maybe something else,
but still sounds like a stuck clutch disc. If it is something to do with
being literally frozen (as opposed to simply stuck) I would guess that if it
ever happens again it would be solved by warming the engine a bit.
FWIW, on cars that get a stuck disc from sitting, the usual process to free
it is warming the engine in neutral, then shutting it off and rolling the
car into the street or anywhere you've got some space, selecting first gear,
starting the engine (should start immediately when warm so the starter would
be ok), and driving away with the clutch pedal depressed. Usually
accelerating to 15-20mph then braking suddenly or suddenly applying then
releasing the throttle frees the disc.
-Cody Forbes
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:22:20 -0500
From: "John Cody Forbes" <cody at 5000tq.com>
Subject: Re: [s-cars] Odd clutch behavior.....
To: <jim at almgt.com>, <s-car-list at audifans.com>, <djdawson2 at aol.com>
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djdawson2 at aol.com wrote:
> I seriously doubt that any water related issue is the source of your
> problem.? I would suspect that your slave cylinder is starting to
> give out.? Pumping repeatedly will usually provide a cure for a
> while, but eventually the fluid will leak past the seals enough to
> prevent normal actuation.? I would bet that this behavior will return
> soon.
IME there is always a change in pedal feel with any clutch hydraulic related
failure. A leaky slave that needs to be pumped you can detect the pedal
feeling soft and sometimes even sticking to the floor. As you pump the pedal
and draw in some new fluid you can feel the pedal get harder to push as the
slave starts actually pushing against the pressure plate diaphram spring.
-Cody Forbes
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:51:11 -0500
From: djdawson2 at aol.com
Subject: Re: [s-cars] Odd clutch behavior.....
To: cody at 5000tq.com, jim at almgt.com, s-car-list at audifans.com
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Having said what you've said... can you name a single clutch failure, hydraulic or mechanical, that would have a completely normal pedal feel?? I can't, so I discounted that element.
I suppose it is remotely possible that the clutch plate froze to both the flywheel and the pressure plate, not allowing disengagement, but I kind of doubt it.? Living where I live, I've had the entire engine compartment packed with ice after a drive in deep/wet snow.? Surely at shut down, melt and overnight freeze occurred... but I never experienced such behavior.
I hope Jim will inform us if this behavior returns... and what the outcome was.
Dave
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From: John Cody Forbes <cody at 5000tq.com>
To: jim at almgt.com; s-car-list at audifans.com; djdawson2 at aol.com
Sent: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 8:22 pm
Subject: Re: [s-cars] Odd clutch behavior.....
djdawson2 at aol.com wrote:?
> I seriously doubt that any water related issue is the source of your?
> problem.? I would suspect that your slave cylinder is starting to?
> give out.? Pumping repeatedly will usually provide a cure for a?
> while, but eventually the fluid will leak past the seals enough to?
> prevent normal actuation.? I would bet that this behavior will return?
> soon.?
?
IME there is always a change in pedal feel with any clutch hydraulic related
failure. A leaky slave that needs to be pumped you can detect the pedal
feeling soft and sometimes even sticking to the floor. As you pump the pedal
and draw in some new fluid you can feel the pedal get harder to push as the
slave starts actually pushing against the pressure plate diaphram spring.?
?
-Cody Forbes ?
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 06:53:10 -0700
From: Matthew Russell <skippertgore at gmail.com>
Subject: [s-cars] Tramlining and tires.
To: audi list <s-car-list at audifans.com>
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First off, sorry to ask another tire question.
But I've got 2: I have written down that people have had better luck
reducing the tramlining phenomena with a 245-40-17 instead of 225-45's?
And also re tires: I haven't tried the Sumitomo HTR series which all
are super reasonable. Reviews on TireRack are mixed. Anyone here care
to chime in? Also in the running are Yokohama avid w4s (side note: I
didn't like my old es100s!) Yok s.drive, Dunlop sp sport 5000, and
Conti extreme contacts. Kumho ecsta's?
Budget and wear are important. I do have snows on the stock wheels for
winter. I'm getting old and performance is probably middle of the list.
Reduced tramlining while still maintaining good turn-in are most
important. Front end is tight.
Bueller?
-Matt, CO
92 s4
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 08:00:32 -0500
From: "John Cody Forbes" <cody at 5000tq.com>
Subject: Re: [s-cars] Odd clutch behavior.....
To: <jim at almgt.com>, <s-car-list at audifans.com>, <djdawson2 at aol.com>
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> Having said what you've said... can you name a single clutch failure,
> hydraulic or mechanical, that would have a completely normal pedal
> feel? I can't, so I discounted that element.
The only one I know of is a stuck disc, which is why I went that way.
>
> I suppose it is remotely possible that the clutch plate froze to both
> the flywheel and the pressure plate, not allowing disengagement, but
> I kind of doubt it. Living where I live, I've had the entire engine
> compartment packed with ice after a drive in deep/wet snow. Surely
> at shut down, melt and overnight freeze occurred... but I never
> experienced such behavior.
I was thinking that freezing was a far fetch, but maybe some water got down there are for some reason the disc and flywheel rusted together extra quickly. Still a far fetch, but it way my only thought as to why the pedal would feel normal yet it wouldn't disengage.
>
> I hope Jim will inform us if this behavior returns... and what the
> outcome was.
And that'll be the tell for sure.
-Cody Forbes
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