[s-cars] S Car values

Tue Jul 28 10:09:42 PDT 2009

 You guys are all making too much sense.

Give a guy $4500 towards buying a new car that the buyer can't afford.? Good stuff.? Makes no sense.

"Green?"? Yeah, I see that everyday in my work too.? "Green" fleets, and the promotion of hybrid vehicles.? The Prius is the biggest joke I've ever seen.? It is probably the most non-green thing on the road.? But the percetion of green is all that matters to our politicians.? Why bother to go out and do a study on how devastating the creation and disposal of a hybrid is to our environment?? All I care about is emissions and fuel mileage.

I do wonder when our government will start making sense.? It seems to have taken a major turn for the worse as of late.

Economics... I wonder if Obama has ever heard of the Laffer Curve?

-----Original Message-----
From: David Kase <dkase at dorma-usa.com>
To: theringmeister at triad.rr.com; Jerry Scott <jerryscott at wispertel.net>; s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com; Calvin Craig <calvinlc at earthlink.net>
Cc: s-car list <s-car-list at audifans.com>
Sent: Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:03 am
Subject: Re: [s-cars] S Car values

I also like how the energy used and pollution created from making that
new car is not considered.

I am in the commercial door hardware industry and a measure of how
"green" our product is is how long it will last.  While our product does
not produce emissions I think there is has to be some consideration for
keeping a car on the road longer.  After all, it has to pass emissions
testing and it is fuel injected. 

No metal has to be melted, formed or cast and no plastic has to be
melted, blown or molded to keep my car on the road.  And a good portion
of a dead car cannot be recycled and will end up in a land fill
somewhere.  

Another point - if someone is driving a $1000 pos and wants to take
advantage of the $4500 trade in, they have to buy a new car.  How many
people that drive $1000 cars can afford a new car?  No problem just get
a loan (although it is much harder today) and default on it.  We'll bail
you out of that too...

Kase

-----Original Message-----
From: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com
[mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com] On Behalf Of Wylie Bean
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 10:39 AM
To: Jerry Scott; s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com; Calvin Craig
Cc: s-car list
Subject: Re: [s-cars] S Car values

Hey Cal,
If you need a little more time on said soapbox I'll gladly yield mine to
you.  Hear hear!

Wylie Bean
TheRingmeister at triad.rr.com
90 cq
91 90q20v
92 UrS4
08 Q7 3.6
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Jerry Scott" <jerryscott at wispertel.net>

Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 08:24:05 
To: Calvin Craig<calvinlc at earthlink.net>
Cc: s-car list<s-car-list at audifans.com>
Subject: Re: [s-cars] S Car values

I'll have what Calvin's having.
Jerry

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Calvin Craig" <calvinlc at earthlink.net>
To: "Jack Walker" <jack at walkerperformancegroup.com>; 
<s-car-list at audifans.com>
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: [s-cars] S Car values

> Yeah, but you'll lose more than $4500 on depreciation in the first
year!
> This is why I never have understood buying a car new.  Let's see, I
bought
> an '01 A6 5 years ago, and have literally spent less than $1k on
repairs,
> and I bought it for $20k less than it sold for new.  So, if I do the
math 
> in
> that instance, I could:
> A. Sell the car for $2500 and buy my used car for $20k less than list
and
> pay $1k in maintenance costs, or
> B. Buy my brand new car for list price, pay $20k more, but at least I
get
> that extra $2k out of the car
>
> Where I learned math, this is a no brainer.
>
> *Steps up on Soapbox*
> New cars are absolutely the worst investment of all time....sorry.
The
> $4500 offer, now just makes it a little less of a bad investment while
> junking perfectly running older cars that are the only thing some
people 
> can
> afford to buy, especially in a recession.  This is all about enforcing

> what
> some people perceive as a "green" agenda in Washington.  They've been 
> trying
> to do it for years in the classic car circles, because after all,
those
> 1,000 1971 Camaros that are still on the road and average about 5k
miles a
> year each are what is causing all this global warming, don't you know?

> It's
> just now that we are in the business of printing money, handing it
out, 
> and
> not worrying about what that same money will be worth tomorrow, they
have
> permission to do it and a willing sponsor.
> *Steps down*
>
> --Calvin
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com
> [mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com]On Behalf Of Jack Walker
> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 10:29 AM
> To: s-car-list at audifans.com
> Subject: [s-cars] S Car values
>
>
> Sad as it is the values of our cars at $4500 is somewhat attractive to
> consider, when looking the additional customer incentatives from
dealers 
> on
> new cars.
>
> The true saddness comes when the car is crushed, and not availble for 
> resale
> of any of the parts.
> Which is worth quite a bit more to our group!
>
> Jack
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