[s-cars] S Car values - Govt to suspend 'cash for clunkers
derocco_16v at comcast.net
derocco_16v at comcast.net
Fri Jul 31 11:02:48 PDT 2009
not quite... more monez was made available so those //Scars are still at great danger :(
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090731/ap_on_go_co/us_cash_for_clunkers
----- Original Message -----
From: "chris chambers" <fastscirocco_2000 at yahoo.com>
To: "Fred Munro" <munrof at sympatico.ca>, "David Kase" <dkase at dorma-usa.com>, "Cody Forbes" <cody at 5000tq.com>, "Calvin Craig" <calvinlc at earthlink.net>
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Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:06:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [s-cars] S Car values - Govt to suspend 'cash for clunkers
FYI
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AP-sources-Govt-to-suspend-apf-3529110957.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=1&asset=&ccode=
----- Original Message ----
> From: Fred Munro <munrof at sympatico.ca>
> To: David Kase <dkase at dorma-usa.com>; Cody Forbes <cody at 5000tq.com>; Calvin Craig <calvinlc at earthlink.net>
> Cc: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com; s-car-list at audifans.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 9:45:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] S Car values
>
> We had a local wrecking yard stuffed with cars and trucks from the '20s on
> up - acres of vehicles spread over forested hilly terrain. Coolest yard in
> the area. Then I needed a wheel from a '29 Dodge pickup - and they had
> crushed everything and hauled it all away. Well, not everything - I found
> the wheel I needed on an old chassis in a swamp, but they didn't leave much.
> What a waste - the place was a treasure trove for old car aficionados. More
> is changing than the exclusion of children from the yards. There are few
> cars older than 10 years in most of the yards around here now.
> Do your patriotic duty - get out there and BUY,BUY,BUY - new stuff only,
> please! Must destroy the old stuff ... it's for the good of all....
>
> Fred Munro
> '97 S6
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com
> [mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com] On Behalf Of David Kase
> Sent: July 29, 2009 10:40 AM
> To: Cody Forbes; Calvin Craig
> Cc: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com; s-car-list at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] S Car values
>
> Hah! I had this exact thought. I want to go and pick through a
> junkyard (that's what they used to be called) to get some Audi bombs.
> It is one of the big u-pull-it places and my son is not even allowed in
> the gate at 8 years old.
>
> I wanted him to experience what I experienced with my dad...trolling
> through and climbing around smashed cars that may be 30-40 years old.
> Just to poke your head in and check it out or sit in the driver's seat.
> I loved it. Those days are gone I think. What a shame (on some level).
>
> Kase
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com
> [mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com] On Behalf Of Cody Forbes
> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 7:47 AM
> To: Calvin Craig
> Cc: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com; s-car-list at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] S Car values
>
> This whole thing sounds like the old car version of Farenheit 451 to
> me. I'm immagining telling my son about when auto recyclers used to
> save cars instead of destroy them...
>
> -Cody (mobile)
>
> On Jul 29, 2009, at 2:14 AM, "Calvin Craig"
> wrote:
>
> > Give me one good reason why we should destroy anything on the car?
> > So let
> > me get this straight, we want to recycle paper and aluminum cans,
> > which
> > costs energy to make into new papers and new cans, but something that
> > doesn't cost any energy to make into something useful, like a
> > completely
> > perfectly fine running engine that could be used to replace one that
> > was
> > worn out, we want to destroy? HUH? Sorry, that doesn't follow at
> > all. Why
> > must the car be crushed or shredded? When there is this much
> > irrational
> > thought going on surrounding something it usually has politics
> > behind it, I
> > work too closely with the US government on a daily basis to not
> > recognize
> > this one :)
> >
> > So the TDI is an interesting example. How many years will it take
> > for the
> > car to depreciate $3000 (the difference between what we are paying
> > you for
> > your car (I say we as a taxpayer) and what you could get on the open
> > market?
> > I honestly don't know in the case of a TDI, because I have never
> > researched
> > that particular car, but my wager is less than a couple of years.
> > So why
> > not buy a 2 year old car? If it's not still reliable at that point
> > who the
> > hell wants it anyway?
> >
> > The idea that it stimulates car sales is kind of odd. People
> > consume cars
> > at a given rate. If we have a glut of people buying cars this year
> > because
> > of the stimulus what do you think will happen next year? This is
> > just
> > like the "Nobody buy gas on Tuesday so we can show the oil companies
> > who's
> > in charge" idea. When twice the number of people show up on
> > Wedenesday I am
> > sure they learned their lesson :)
> >
> > Let's use our $4,500 per car to create something that will have a
> > longer
> > lasting benefit. Let's look at some previous examples. How about
> > Hoover
> > Dam, built during the last great stimulus era. At least it is still
> > around
> > after 70 years and still doing a good thing for the country. That's
> > an
> > investment! I just expect tax dollars to do more for the common
> > good than
> > helping to subsidize a poorly managed industry. Think of all the car
> > companies that went bankrupt during the Great Depression. It's
> > healthy,
> > it's OK. Businesses failing is just as important as businesses
> > succeeding,
> > it helps tell us what works and what doesn't. Not everybody gets a
> > trophy!
> > This country has gone soft since the late 60's and it's really
> > aggravating.
> > What's funny about that is that I wasn't even born until 1972 but I
> > can
> > certainly do the comparison.
> >
> > Wow, waaay off topic. Sorry, I don't usually do this, but I just
> > can't
> > stand illogical crap.
> >
> > --Calvin
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jvantol at gmail.com [mailto:jvantol at gmail.com]On Behalf Of
> > Joshua Van
> > Tol
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 11:50 AM
> > To: djdawson2 at aol.com
> > Cc: dkase at dorma-usa.com; theringmeister at triad.rr.com;
> > jerryscott at wispertel.net; s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com;
> > calvinlc at earthlink.net; s-car-list at audifans.com
> > Subject: Re: [s-cars] S Car values
> >
> >
> > As a data point here I've got a 1987 5kcstq that I'm trading for
> > $4500 off
> > of a new Jetta TDI. That car hasn't been worth that much in at least
> > 10
> > years, it's a very good deal for certain people. My vw dealer, and a
> > couple
> > others I've talked to say that it's not lower income folks taking
> > advantage
> > of this. Rather it's middle income thrifty types who have a second
> > or third
> > car as a spare.
> >
> > As a means of stimulating the economy, it's pretty direct.
> >
> > BTW, much of that "prius isn't green" stuff is made up lies. At one
> > point
> > the "fact" that a prius was more environmentally costly than a
> > hummer was
> > out there. It just isn't true. Now a Jetta TDI vs a prius? I'd wager
> > the
> > Jetta wins, and is a much nicer car to drive to boot. But there's a
> > place
> > for the prius. If I were doing stop and go city driving I'd seriously
> > consider it, as the 51 mpg city is very hard to beat, but I have a 90%
> > highway 60 mile (total) commute each day, and the TDI will do very
> > well on
> > that, plus it's a darn nice car.
> >
> > As for economics, I'm sure the Obama team has heard of the Laffer
> > curve,
> > but if I'm not mistaken, the current consensus on that idea is that
> > it's a
> > gross simplification. I'm not a fan of every thing Obama has done,
> > or will
> > likely do, but this isn't a particularly terrible piece of
> > legislation. It
> > stimulates the sales of new cars, and gets some unsafe and fuel
> > inefficient
> > cars off the road. The cars are not completely destroyed, the
> > salvage yards
> > are allowed to re-sell some parts of the car, just not the "long
> > block", and
> > the car must ultimately be crushed or shredded.
> >
> > Anyone who really wants to know the details of the program should
> > go to
> > www.cars.gov. The complete rules are posted there, in more detail than
> > you'll care to read, including the exact procedure for destroying the
> > engine, the paperwork required to prevent fraud, the amount of funds
> > allowed
> > to be used for administrative purposes ($50m out of $1b), etc.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:09 PM, wrote:
> >
> >
> > You guys are all making too much sense.
> >
> > Give a guy $4500 towards buying a new car that the buyer can't
> > afford.?
> > Good stuff.? Makes no sense.
> >
> > "Green?"? Yeah, I see that everyday in my work too.? "Green"
> > fleets, and
> > the promotion of hybrid vehicles.? The Prius is the biggest joke
> > I've ever
> > seen.? It is probably the most non-green thing on the road.? But the
> > percetion of green is all that matters to our politicians.? Why
> > bother to go
> > out and do a study on how devastating the creation and disposal of a
> > hybrid
> > is to our environment?? All I care about is emissions and fuel
> > mileage.
> >
> > I do wonder when our government will start making sense.? It
> > seems to
> > have taken a major turn for the worse as of late.
> >
> > Economics... I wonder if Obama has ever heard of the Laffer Curve?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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