[s-cars] Ideas to Increase mpg?

chris chambers fastscirocco_2000 at yahoo.com
Sun Jun 14 15:03:46 PDT 2009 

Bad reply on my part, I was addressing his original comment that he
might go back to stock chips.



--- On Sun, 6/14/09, Robert Myers <bob at chips-ur-s.com> wrote:

> From: Robert Myers <bob at chips-ur-s.com>
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] Ideas to Increase mpg?
> To: "chris chambers" <fastscirocco_2000 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "Jerry Scott" <jerryscott at wispertel.net>, "s-car list" <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> Date: Sunday, June 14, 2009, 4:45 PM
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> Hey, Chris,  I wasn't recommending the process, just
> saying it can be 
> done with little effort.  I agree with you.  I
> made a run of several 
> hundred miles to Road Atlanta and back last Septober. 
> Drove my RS2ed 
> urS6 and, by going easy on the loud pedal, averaged
> something like 
> 28.x MPG on that trip.  The drive wasn't all that much
> fun but it was 
> fairly economical.
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> At 04:40 PM 6/14/2009, chris chambers wrote:
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> >Why go back to a stock chip?
> >I have Pastore's "RS2" chipset and get 25-27 mpg on the
> highway.
> >
> >I doubt there is a stock UrS4/S6 that gets any better
> MPG... ;-)
> >
> >Sure switch to a different tuner's chip but why go
> stock...You did 
> >buy this car to enjoy right? ;-)
> >
> >Chris
> >
> >
> >--- On Sun, 6/14/09, Robert Myers <bob at chips-ur-s.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > From: Robert Myers <bob at chips-ur-s.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [s-cars] Ideas to Increase mpg?
> > > To: "Jerry Scott" <jerryscott at wispertel.net>
> > > Cc: "s-car list" <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> > > Date: Sunday, June 14, 2009, 4:34 PM
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> > > Jerry,
> > >
> > > As long as the pull-out OEM chip is not damaged
> and the
> > > pins are
> > > pretty clean and more or less free of solder
> residue then
> > > putting it
> > > back into a socketed ECU is no problem. 
> What may be a
> > > small problem
> > > is that chip upgrades usually include a three bar
> pressure
> > > transducer
> > > change from the OEM 2.5 bar PT.  That must
> also be
> > > reversed.  No big
> > > deal if you have or can get one of the 2.5 bar
> PTs.
> > > They are readily available
> > >
> > > Bob
> > >
> > >
> > > At 03:57 PM 6/14/2009, Jerry Scott wrote:
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> > > >Dave
> > > >I'm not sure that you can put the original
> chip back,
> > > since the after market
> > > >chip was probably put into a socket that was
> soldered
> > > in.  The original chip
> > > >might fit the socket, but I'm almost sure
> that it was
> > > originally soldered
> > > >directly to the circuit board.
> > > >Jerry
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "David Kase" <dkase at dorma-usa.com>
> > > >To: "Tom Green" <trgreen at comcast.net>;
> > > <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> > > >Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 9:13 PM
> > > >Subject: Re: [s-cars] Ideas to Increase mpg?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hah!  Indeed "respectfully" is my
> slow
> > > transition back into the
> > > > > irresistible S-list...
> > > > >
> > > > > Indeed, keep your foot out of it. 
> That
> > > makes the biggest contribution I
> > > > > have seen in my B5.
> > > > >
> > > > > I will investigate the fuel mileage
> thieves you
> > > have mentioned.  O2
> > > > > sensors I am sure are gone, the
> ignition is fresh
> > > but I will check for
> > > > > leaks in the intake. This is a new path
> for me
> > > and I believe worthwhile.
> > > > > I don't think I will give up on the C4
> just
> > > yet.  The kids and wife like
> > > > > it so I might as well embrace it.
> > > > >
> > > > > AFA the chips - I was just thinking of
> replacing
> > > the whole thing with a
> > > > > stock ECU.  Seems to messy and
> chancy to try
> > > an chip swap again.
> > > > >
> > > > > I appreciate your reply and candor.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dave
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com
> > > on behalf of Tom Green
> > > > > Sent: Sat 6/13/2009 9:10 AM
> > > > > To: s-car-list at audifans.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [s-cars] Ideas to Increase
> mpg?
> > > > >
> > > > > Ok, what did you do with the real Dave
> > > Kase?  He couldn't even spell
> > > > > Respectfully.  : )
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't think you see much here on mpg
> because
> > > it's difficult to
> > > > > compare, so usually meaningless. 
>   You
> > > have this S6 with little
> > > > > invested in it, so I can see it is
> tempting to
> > > think you
> > > > > can essentially get a free vehicle by
> changing
> > > cars.  But, I think the
> > > > > reality is different if you move to an
> > > unknown.  The fuel savings is
> > > > > so dependent on the price.  If you
> are
> > > making
> > > > > a purely economic decision, just ride
> the bus.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think you can get to 25 mpg average
> for your
> > > commute since you can
> > > > > generally avoid stop and go
> driving.  I
> > > would start with the basic
> > > > > tune of the engine before I would
> spend
> > > > > money on the ECU.  You can
> probably find
> > > some stock chips for little
> > > > > dough, but are they socketed? Are the
> TAP chips
> > > socketed in the ECU?
> > > > > Who is going to do this swap? 
> How
> > > > > much?  It's going to take a lot of
> commute
> > > to pay for the swap so can
> > > > > you expect enough gain in mpg?
> > > > >
> > > > > I would look elsewhere for the culprit
> that is
> > > stealing my mileage.
> > > > > If it is your right foot, at least you
> are
> > > getting something for your
> > > > > money.  Faulty temperature
> sensors, O2
> > > sensors,
> > > > > dirty injectors, dirty MAF and intake,
> leaking
> > > vacuum hoses, etc. rob
> > > > > the mileage with nothing in return, and
> these are
> > > areas you can attend
> > > > > to without paying labor costs. 
> There is
> > > also the added benefit in
> > > > > performance and longevity for the well
> tuned
> > > engine.  I admit that
> > > > > payback for a few parts can be lengthy
> at 5 mpg,
> > > but you have
> > > > > immediate benefits in the performance
> too.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > > >> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:32:23
> -0400
> > > > >> From: "David Kase" <dkase at dorma-usa.com>
> > > > >> Subject: [s-cars] Ideas to Increase
> mpg?
> > > > >> To: <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> > > > >> Message-ID:
> > > > >> <058B1C4576896745AB96826AB59CFC380879A9 at rmdc2.usa.dgna.net>
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> > > > >>
> > > > >> I did a 7 month search in the
> archives and
> > > did not see a thread
> > > > >> related to fuel mileage.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I am keeping my B5 S4 as a
> secondary car and
> > > am currently doing some
> > > > >> upgrades to it.  My recently
> purchased
> > > S6 is doing dd duty.  I have
> > > > >> a 60 mile round trip each day and
> at 20 mpg,
> > > I could stand better
> > > > >> fuel mileage.  I do 55 of the
> 60 miles
> > > on the open highway.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I was thinking of selling the C4
> and buying a
> > > TDI (saving ~$100/
> > > > >> month) but I just don't think I
> will enjoying
> > > driving it everyday
> > > > >> (Probably a 99-02 Jetta).  I
> also am
> > > considering a 1.8T A4.  But, I
> > > > >> figure if I can get the mileage
> better in the
> > > S6 then I will just
> > > > >> keep it.  I'd love to get over
> 25 mpg
> > > but I don't know if it is even
> > > > >> possible.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Step 1 - go from CRAP (TAP) ECU to
> > > stock.  Then what?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> No matter what I do I know I will
> be rolling
> > > on the power from time
> > > > >> to time.  It seems like you
> can never
> > > get that mileage back over a
> > > > >> tankful.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Respectfully,
> > > > >> Kase
> > > > >
> > > > >
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