[s-cars] RS6

[Theodore Chen]

not to mention a lot cheaper.  you can buy an LS7 crate engine, complete from intake to oil pan, for $13k, and it'll make 500 hp right out of the box.  don't let the word "pushrod" fool you - this is a sophisticated engine, with titanium connecting rods and intake valves, dry sump, sodium-filled exhaust valves, etc.  

all you have to do is eyeball an LS7 and a typical DOHC V8 or V10 (say the engine from an E39 or E60 M5) to see just how much more compact the LS7 is.  the LS7 crate engine, with water pump, coils, engine mount brackets, Z06 exhaust manifolds, and clutch/flywheel, weighs 444 lbs.  that's impressive for the kind of power it produces.




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From: Taka Mizutani <t44tqtro at gmail.com>
To: Joe Pizzimenti <joe.pizzimenti at gmail.com>
Cc: airbil <airbil at gmail.com>; s-car-list at audifans.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:43:50 AM
Subject: Re: [s-cars] RS6

Well, maybe not quite- the C6 RS6 has 600hp, although it's not hard with
forced induction to make more with an LSx engine- stock ZR1 engine is 638hp
and building an LS3 with a blower can easily match that- twin turbo
conversion can do over 1000hp without any problem.

It's much easier to twin-turbo the Ultima with the "standard" engine rather
than doing a retarded engine swap. LSx series engines are probably some of
the most size-efficient engines for their power output and weight. Heck, I
can fit an LSx into my Miata, which I'd like to do.

Taka


On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Joe Pizzimenti
<joe.pizzimenti at gmail.com>wrote:

> Not to mention less powerful, all else being equal.
>
>
> On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Taka Mizutani <t44tqtro at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> You're going to put a DOHC V-10 TT into a car that's designed for a LSx
>> series engine?
>>
>> Good luck- that engine is a lot longer and bulkier.
>>
>> Taka
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 4:29 AM, Mike Fitton <rfitton at vt.edu> wrote:
>>
>> > Damn, someone already did the first swap.  I really was hoping to be the
>> > first one, at least in the US, with such a package.  No doubt Dahlback
>> > or the like have attached that engine longitudinally to a DSG in a
>> > Locost or some such madness by now.  But I mean realistically speaking
>> > for us normal (loosely...) folks, that would be breaking some new ground
>> > I think.  I think about SVXs and how an otherwise $2500 example is worth
>> > more like $6500 if it has a well-executed stick conversion in place.
>> > Different market, different buyers, but same basic idea.  Two basic
>> > circumstances at work for both cars.  Only available in automatic.
>> > Automatic known for catastrophic and consistent failure.  Otherwise very
>> > desirable car (in this beholder's eye).
>> >
>> > Anyway, just started a business, quit my day job, and am very likely to
>> > start a second business in the next few months.  And off-chance I just
>> > got talked into moving out to Alaska next summer.  So finances are going
>> > to be wildly unstable for a while and a needy RS6 likely isn't a smart
>> > move in the near term.  Still though, kudos to the guys that did it
>> > first, and I wish it could have been me.
>> >
>> > How about this?  My new goal is to be the first guy to install der neu
>> > RS6 engine in an Ultima.  It'll be a while; you heard it here first.
>> >
>> > -Cheers!
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > airbil wrote:
>> > > Mike edumicated:
>> > > "                How many twin turbo V8s were ever made in anything
>> > > approaching mass
>> > >                  production?  Let's make a list...
>> > >
>> > >                  288 GTO ("mass" production)
>> > >                  F40 (same)
>> > >                  V8 Esprits                          "
>> > >
>> > > Mike et. al.,
>> > > Back at you with; wow, maybe yuze college guys do know stuff.
>> > > These are points well taken.   V8 tt's ?  Right.  How many of those
>> > > are there from the factory?
>> > > WRT mtce. issues, again, great points!  You can't have a so called
>> > > super car and think it should have the longevity of a Honda.
>> > > I think the RS2 is, or was a supercar and constantly console
>> > > myself with the line of thought to justify ubiquitous tinkering,
>> > > because I know when it's right, oh momma, etc. and so on.  Just
>> > > today driving home seeking redline, windows down, lady gaga
>> > > love game (what is a disco stick?) uhmm, a little loud... I was
>> > > traffic light interviewed window to window by some new MB driving
>> > > guy.  Usual line of questioning, i.e. "what is that?"  S6 with RS2
>> > > motor but how many in the rest of the galaxy know anything about
>> > > that?
>> > > WRT trans issues, I have the good fortune to live literally 5 minutes
>> > > away from the "Tozo D2 Tranny Fixit Shop."
>> > > He can fix these in his sleep... and oh, AFAIK, has also done the
>> > > only auto to six speed lobotomy that I know of.
>> > > So, okay then, let's add der RS6 to der watch list and see if planets
>> > > align.
>> > > Bill~experimental post layout~M
>> > > ps   still wish we had a shot at der neu RS6
>> > >
>> >
>> http://news.autocarpoint.co.nz/portals/0/ACP_MediaGallery/34571/10449_p.jpg
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
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