[s-cars] RS6

Taka Mizutani t44tqtro at gmail.com
Thu May 28 06:11:19 PDT 2009 

RS4s are still very expensive on the used market. Looks like high $30k
range- $37k for a few in the past few months, but I did see that one for
$44.2k that Bruce mentioned. I think the RS4 is a much more desirable car
due to the manual transmission and smaller body style.

Taka


On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 8:25 AM, <hoog23 at aol.com> wrote:

> With all of this talk about RS6's well what about RS4's on the used car
> market?  I know that they haven't dropped like rocks yet.
>
> And no turbos but they still have drc issues, right?
>
> Dave
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Theodore Chen <tedebearp at yahoo.com>
> To: Taka Mizutani <t44tqtro at gmail.com>; Joe Pizzimenti <
> joe.pizzimenti at gmail.com>
> Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com; airbil <airbil at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wed, 27 May 2009 4:05 pm
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] RS6
>
> not to mention a lot cheaper.  you can buy an LS7 crate engine, complete from
> intake to oil pan, for $13k, and it'll make 500 hp right out of the box.  don't
> let the word "pushrod" fool you - this is a sophisticated engine, with titanium
> connecting rods and intake valves, dry sump, sodium-filled exhaust valves, etc.
>
>
> all you have to do is eyeball an LS7 and a typical DOHC V8 or V10 (say the
> engine from an E39 or E60 M5) to see just how much more compact the LS7 is.  the
> LS7 crate engine, with water pump, coils, engine mount brackets, Z06 exhaust
> manifolds, and clutch/flywheel, weighs 444 lbs.  that's impressive for the kind
> of power it produces.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Taka Mizutani <t44tqtro at gmail.com>
> To: Joe Pizzimenti <joe.pizzimenti at gmail.com>
> Cc: airbil <airbil at gmail.com>; s-car-list at audifans.com
> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:43:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] RS6
>
> Well, maybe not quite- the C6 RS6 has 600hp, although it's not hard with
> forced induction to make more with an LSx engine- stock ZR1 engine is 638hp
> and building an LS3 with a blower can easily match that- twin turbo
> conversion can do over 1000hp without any problem.
>
> It's much easier to twin-turbo the Ultima with the "standard" engine rather
> than doing a retarded engine swap. LSx series engines are probably some of
> the most size-efficient engines for their power output and weight. Heck, I
> can fit an LSx into my Miata, which I'd like to do.
>
> Taka
>
>
> On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Joe Pizzimenti
> <joe.pizzimenti at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Not to mention less powerful, all else being equal.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Taka Mizutani <t44tqtro at gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >> You're going to put a DOHC V-10 TT into a car that's designed for a LSx
> >> series engine?
> >>
> >> Good luck- that engine is a lot longer and bulkier.
> >>
> >> Taka
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 4:29 AM, Mike Fitton <rfitton at vt.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Damn, someone already did the first swap.  I really was hoping to be the
> >> > first one, at least in the US, with such a package.  No doubt Dahlback
> >> > or the like have attached that engine longitudinally to a DSG in a
> >> > Locost or some such madness by now.  But I mean realistically speaking
> >> > for us normal (loosely...) folks, that would be breaking some new ground
> >> > I think.  I think about SVXs and how an otherwise $2500 example is worth
> >> > more like $6500 if it has a well-executed stick conversion in place.
> >> > Different market, different buyers, but same basic idea.  Two basic
> >> > circumstances at work for both cars.  Only available in automatic.
> >> > Automatic known for catastrophic and consistent failure.  Otherwise very
> >> > desirable car (in this beholder's eye).
> >> >
> >> > Anyway, just started a business, quit my day job, and am very likely to
> >> > start a second business in the next few months.  And off-chance I just
> >> > got talked into moving out to Alaska next summer.  So finances are going
> >> > to be wildly unstable for a while and a needy RS6 likely isn't a smart
> >> > move in the near term.  Still though, kudos to the guys that did it
> >> > first, and I wish it could have been me.
> >> >
> >> > How about this?  My new goal is to be the first guy to install der neu
> >> > RS6 engine in an Ultima.  It'll be a while; you heard it here first.
> >> >
> >> > -Cheers!
> >> > Mike
> >> >
> >> > airbil wrote:
> >> > > Mike edumicated:
> >> > > "                How many twin turbo V8s were ever made in anything
> >> > > approaching mass
> >> > >                  production?  Let's make a list...
> >> > >
> >> > >                  288 GTO ("mass" production)
> >> > >                  F40 (same)
> >> > >                  V8 Esprits                          "
> >> > >
> >> > > Mike et. al.,
> >> > > Back at you with; wow, maybe yuze college guys do know stuff.
> >> > > These are points well taken.   V8 tt's ?  Right.  How many of those
> >> > > are there from the factory?
> >> > > WRT mtce. issues, again, great points!  You can't have a so called
> >> > > super car and think it should have the longevity of a Honda.
> >> > > I think the RS2 is, or was a supercar and constantly console
> >> > > myself with the line of thought to justify ubiquitous tinkering,
> >> > > because I know when it's right, oh momma, etc. and so on.  Just
> >> > > today driving home seeking redline, windows down, lady gaga
> >> > > love game (what is a disco stick?) uhmm, a little loud... I was
> >> > > traffic light interviewed window to window by some new MB driving
> >> > > guy.  Usual line of questioning, i.e. "what is that?"  S6 with RS2
> >> > > motor but how many in the rest of the galaxy know anything about
> >> > > that?
> >> > > WRT trans issues, I have the good fortune to live literally 5 minutes
> >> > > away from the "Tozo D2 Tranny Fixit Shop."
> >> > > He can fix these in his sleep... and oh, AFAIK, has also done the
> >> > > only auto to six speed lobotomy that I know of.
> >> > > So, okay then, let's add der RS6 to der watch list and see if planets
> >> > > align.
> >> > > Bill~experimental post layout~M
> >> > > ps   still wish we had a shot at der neu RS6
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> http://news.autocarpoint.co.nz/portals/0/ACP_MediaGallery/34571/10449_p.jpg
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
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